Carrick on Dijksteel and Coburn

Jonny Ingbar said:
I think the club had tried, and failed, to move him on. I think injuries elsewhere may have influenced him staying, plus I'm not sure what his own views have been about seeing his contract out.

He's one of the highest earners currently and I don't think his overall contribution justifies that. His salary has probably made it a bit more difficult to sell him too.
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I don’t believe either Dijksteel or Coburn are high earners.
I'd be very surprised if either are on what McGree, VdB, Fry, Ayling, Dieng, Borges, Morris, Azaz, Whittaker, Hackney, Conway, Forss are on.
 
Johngannonsunderpants said:
I think it's, clear to see Whittaker is a good player but he's weak in the areas we are already lacking. Lots of talent like Azaz but similar weaknesses.

I think Carrick's calm philosophy makes him think he can pick a first 11 of pure footballers and that will get the job done rather than a mix of players that compliment each other.

It just doesn't work, we need more players who provide the platform for players like Azaz and Whittaker to be match winners rather than what we currently have where their weaknesses are a major cause of why we lose.

Carrick is either too naive, too rigid in his philosophy or both. I still think it's his stubborn /rigidity that's the issue myself. I think he knows how to change things but won't compromise how he thinks we should play.
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Whittaker and Azaz need real pace and power to compliment because they both lack that, but have great vision, range of passing and shooting
 
i think the issue with speculation about overhauls, squads not good enough, these players aren’t good enough etc is football is incredibly unpredictable.
Who would have guessed Hackney would go from struggling to shine in a Scunthorpe team who were probably the worst team to ever play in the football league (and a 6 game ban!), to being one of the best young talents in the country.
Who would have predicted Chuba would go from being a transfer listed flop with no squad number to having the best season of any player for us in decades arguably.
Who saw Roger’s going from kept out of the team by Sam Greenwood to a Champions league hat trick, starting for England and worth about £80 million, and the rest.
It’s entirely possible that players we have already in the squad, that haven’t set the world on fire yet for us, or have had problems with injuries might have great seasons next year. Players like Whittaker. Hamilton, McCabe, McGree, Forss, Lenihan, Bangura etc. A hell of a lot of potential with just those players.
You might think “based on what?” , but you might have said the same about Hackney, Akpom and Rogers at one time.
 
Mendieta14 said:
doesn't the league table disprove that? we are challenging with dijksteel and have multiple times
millwall are 2 wins off the playoffs - coburn has 4 in 7 starts
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There are always teams that hover below the play offs but never truly challenge.

We are challenging more than Millwall but ultimately neither will be in the play offs at the end of the season. Millwall aren’t two wins off the play offs, if they win their next two they will still be outside.

Both players could be in a promotion squad, but not in the starting 11. They could do a job backing up (Dijksteel more than Coburn).
 
I rather Carrick goes before Coburn.
Coburn will be an asset to the club going forward as playing styles are again going back to lone tall strikers.
 
I think Carrick is more concerned with knowing the position of the players on the pitch than the speed of the players.
I have watched full Boro matches and I have seen that Coburn doesn't know his position very well and is not always in the right place at the right time.
Carrick doesn't need a target man, he needs a complete forward.
And Boro's attacking players need to help press high up to help the defense.
Full-backs must be able to guess the direction of the opposing attackers well.
I think Dijksteel is faster but Ayling can read his opponent better.
 
sugee jung said:
I think Carrick is more concerned with knowing the position of the players on the pitch than the speed of the players.
I have watched full Boro matches and I have seen that Coburn doesn't know his position very well and is not always in the right place at the right time.
Carrick doesn't need a target man, he needs a complete forward.
And Boro's attacking players need to help press high up to help the defense.
Full-backs must be able to guess the direction of the opposing attackers well.
I think Dijksteel is faster but Ayling can read his opponent better.
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And you are a self confessed Carrick fan, not Middlesbrough fan.
You will shortly be popping off with him to another club.
 
If Carricks not here next season then I'd love the next gaffer to make Josh a very important player. Hes a good championship striker. Only question mark against him is staying fit.

He scores goals, he's a good link man, he has good movement, he brings height and a different dynamic to the attack. Hes a local lad who looks to love playing for the Boro.

I personally am massively against any idea of a sale and I am disappointed with Carrick for loaning him out this season and seemingly not rating him even though he performed excellent for a spell last season for him.
 
i don’t think coburn is the answer to, well, anything really. he is about millwall’s level - mid-table championship. that’s entirely fine in isolation, but if we are aiming for higher than that then we need better than him
 
danamfc said:
i don’t think coburn is the answer to, well, anything really. he is about millwall’s level - mid-table championship. that’s entirely fine in isolation, but if we are aiming for higher than that then we need better than him
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I think he's every bit as good as Conway - who I have nothing at all against - and offers a different style/option.
I think we need 3 strikers in our squad and need to sign a high quality player of the Archer class. 2 will get game time every match and a third is required to deal with issues of injury, form and suspension.
Both Coburn and Conway are contracted, so we only need to recruit one.
 
danamfc said:
i don’t think coburn is the answer to, well, anything really. he is about millwall’s level - mid-table championship. that’s entirely fine in isolation, but if we are aiming for higher than that then we need better than him
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Agreed, as a third choice he would be excellent as a second choice mediocre and as a starter for a promotion chasing team poor.

His goal/minute record is decent but not really tested at this level over a sustained spell.

His injury record is poor

Doesn’t really get involved in build up play and is just too big and heavy to be effective at leading a press for 90 mins or even 70.

He is the kind of player that is good enough to hit 20 goals in this league but not in a team that’s successful.

He wouldn’t get in the top 4 teams this season and would struggle to make the bench for 3 of them.

For me, we already have one of the best reserve quality CFs in Conway, we should be looking to get a pacy and powerful cf to take his shirt, that’s a winning combination
 
danamfc said:
i don’t think coburn is the answer to, well, anything really. he is about millwall’s level - mid-table championship. that’s entirely fine in isolation, but if we are aiming for higher than that then we need better than him
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Not a great take for me that.

You need options, Coburn offers physicality up front, we currently don’t have that and haven’t for large swathes of the season. He’s still young and improving.

He’s not good enough to be a starter for us, sure, but he’s more than good enough to be an option should we need him.

We should have more than two strikers in the squad.
 
Scrug said:
Not a great take for me that.

You need options, Coburn offers physicality up front, we currently don’t have that and haven’t for large swathes of the season. He’s still young and improving.

He’s not good enough to be a starter for us, sure, but he’s more than good enough to be an option should we need him.

We should have more than two strikers in the squad.
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carrick loves a busy striker – a presser, a quick and willing runner off the ball. this is what archer, latte lath and conway were/are.

coburn just doesn’t fit how we play imo. if you have him there as a different option then you’re restricting a young player to minimal minutes, and even though i don’t rate him as highly as some, he deserves better than that.

i think we’ll move him on in the summer and bring someone in who better compliments our style
 
danamfc said:
carrick loves a busy striker – a presser, a quick and willing runner off the ball. this is what archer, latte lath and conway were/are.

coburn just doesn’t fit how we play imo. if you have him there as a different option then you’re restricting a young player to minimal minutes, and even though i don’t rate him as highly as some, he deserves better than that.

i think we’ll move him on in the summer and bring someone in who better compliments our style
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But if Carrick doesn’t get us promoted is it likely he’s going to be here? If not, unless the next man comes in and wants to play the exact same style of football, it’s likely he’ll want to keep Coburn around given Conway is the only striker currently on our books.

He’s proven he can be effective at this level and with time on his side, it’s not worth risking letting him leave to succeed at another side in the same division we’re in.

If Carrick stays, I agree, he’ll probably move Josh on. If he doesn’t, I think Josh will stick around and our ‘style’ will change.
 
danamfc said:
carrick loves a busy striker – a presser, a quick and willing runner off the ball. this is what archer, latte lath and conway were/are.

coburn just doesn’t fit how we play imo. if you have him there as a different option then you’re restricting a young player to minimal minutes, and even though i don’t rate him as highly as some, he deserves better than that.

i think we’ll move him on in the summer and bring someone in who better compliments our style
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Carrick might not be here next season. Coburn has proven to be a more than capable championship striker with potential still for further development.

I would be very disappointed if a new manager was to come in and immediately ship him out.

If Carrick stays then obviously Coburn is going to leave but I think there's a chance Coburn stays under a new manager.
 
Scrug said:
But if Carrick doesn’t get us promoted is it likely he’s going to be here? If not, unless the next man comes in and wants to play the exact same style of football, it’s likely he’ll want to keep Coburn around given Conway is the only striker currently on our books.

He’s proven he can be effective at this level and with time on his side, it’s not worth risking letting him leave to succeed at another side in the same division we’re in.

If Carrick stays, I agree, he’ll probably move Josh on. If he doesn’t, I think Josh will stick around and our ‘style’ will change.
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Realised I've virtually posted the same as you but in different words 🤣 should have read your post before responding to Dana
 
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