FFS just don't take illegal drugs.
They're illegal for a reason.
I guess Brian your 'mate' has a straight choice.
Get off the pot or the machines.
People often raise this point in discussions like this but making a case for why some drugs are legal and others not is never done convincingly.FFS just don't take illegal drugs.
They're illegal for a reason.
And? Fact is they ARE illegal like it of not.People often raise this point in discussions like this but making a case for why some drugs are legal and others not is never done convincingly.
not quite accurate, a pint of larger ( average strength) contains 2 units of alcohol so it would be 10 hours after your last drink that the alcohol has left your system.if your drinking , its a count back of 1 full hour after your last drink, and then 1 full - so if you have 5 pints after work and the last drink is at 21:00, then its 22:00 + 5 hours - have a water drink or tea/coffee and go and empty your bladder before you set off for work, not after you have booked on.
Well that's a perfect example of what I was talking about.And? Fact is they ARE illegal like it of not.
why would it be a grey area? It’s illegal here, makes absolutely no difference what it’s legal state is elsewhere. Whether it should or shouldn’t be is another matter but it is.Don't they need to prove that he is actually under the influence to issue disciplinary action?
Doesn't the fact it is legal in Netherlands and places in the US make this a very grey area?
Perhaps he could explain to his wife and kids why they are suddenly on benefits and risk being homeless? Or why he would not be able to find another job because no one would take a risk on taking him on. Or perhaps he could have his regrets from a jail cell after someone has been killed at work because of a drugged up machine operator. FFS, even precription drugs have warnings on them about using machinery and driving.A friend of mine works at a company where he has a job driving mechanical equipment, he has been told that he and his colleagues will be subject to future random drug tests with a zero tolerance approach. Anyone found with traces of illegal drugs in their system will be suspended and eventually dismissed.
He is a casual weekend user and never smokes cannabis at work or during week days but because it can stay in the system for up to 30 days he feels that when tested he will fail and lose his job.
I didn't realise about this 30 days thing for staying in the system and that clearly means that he might fail the test but won't actually be under the influence.
Don't they need to prove that he is actually under the influence to issue disciplinary action?
Doesn't the fact it is legal in Netherlands and places in the US make this a very grey area?
Yes, drug driving is a criminal offenceIs it against the law to drive whilst stoned? Asking for a friend. . I actually genuinely have no idea.
Is that any drug? I can be tobaccoed up and drive so what's the law?Yes, drug driving is a criminal offence
Interesting I thought it was one hour per unitWho wants to work with someone driving mechanical equipment whilst theyre stoned?....i wouldnt wanted to have.
The employer should be doing an education programme alongside the D & A testing, those with a problem using either should be able to declare and seek support - the employer should have this in a stand alone company policy, all employee's should be able to access it and be aware of what it means and what the process is both before and after testing.
a booklet and a poster campaign on notice boards should be made available, and a session included into the company induction programme.
ducking and diving, convincing yourself that its only weekend use, purging your urine, drinking copious amounts of fresh water and taking laxatives and so on and so forth will only lead to someone getting hurt, injured or worse.
and the % bet will be that its the person who is using.
good jobs are hard to come by, dont throw it away for the sake of a reefer or a beer- too much to lose - fail the test and you can leave your heart at the door, no excuse will be good enough, its facts that count.
the benchmark for dope is 28 days in the system, and if your drinking , its a count back of 1 full hour after your last drink, and then 1 full hour for each drink you had - so if you have 5 pints after work and the last drink is at 21:00, then its 22:00 + 5 hours - have a water drink or tea/coffee and go and empty your bladder before you set off for work, not after you have booked on.
It's definitely illegalIs that any drug? I can be tobaccoed up and drive so what's the law?
I don't do drugs, but I would have thought driving after a joint is less dangerous than driving after 1 beer, though I have no idea.
I've been told that drinking coffee or smoking can set off a road side test.It's definitely illegal
That said you can also fall foul of a road side drug swab many days after taking them. You could smoke a joint or a line on a Friday and fail a police drug swab on Monday.
So 'effectively' you ain't driving under any influence but you'd still lose your licence or worse get sent down for death by dangerous driving under the influence of drugs. The fact it was 4 days ago is irrelevant. I imagine so many people could fall foul of this after a weekend.
You heaven forbid kill someone in a crash you'll get drink and drug tested. Also cars are checked for undeclared mods for all those driving around with remaps etc.
Simply not worth it. Then again if you dabble then get a job where its fine like a rock star or DJ