Canada WTF

FabioPorkpie said:
This is a decent read regarding the protests -


‘the protest began last month in opposition to a requirement that cross-border truckers get vaccinated against Covid-19. Since then it has morphed into a broader anti-government movement that mixes anti-vaccine rhetoric, far-right politics and conspiracy theories, from 5G-enabled microchips to QAnon.’


www.ft.com

Canada’s truckers and the politics of anti-vaccine protests

As vehicles block downtown Ottawa, a demonstration over mandatory vaccines has become a broader anti-government movement
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Don’t know why it’s coming up as subscription required as I read it fine without being subscribed?
 
The_Tiler said:
They are protesting at being locked up already, basically in their own homes for 2 years.

Freedom protesters, not anti-vax or far right. Just people who want to continue the rest of their lives as normal as possible.

The rest of the world are slowly getting there, but some countries like Canada, France and New Zealand, are continuing to enforce strict measures when clearly they are no longer needed.

Time we all moved on put the last two dreadful years behind us.
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I've spent much of the last two years doing what we normally do, going out for a beer or two, a bite to eat and watching football.

How long was the actual lockdown?
 
FabioPorkpie said:
You disingenuous rascal, you.
It’s been pointed out to you why the data is going to show that the vaccinated are becoming infected more than the unvaccinated, on multiple occasions now.
Yet you continue to post that line to try and encourage reluctance/doubt in the vaccines.
Furthermore, the vaccines are NOT officially useless at preventing infection by omicron. Something you are well aware of too. And something which has been explained multiple times on here.
You aren’t a stupid person, which means the only reason you continue to post such misrepresentation of data, is because you are knowingly and willfully spreading misinformation. You know there are some vulnerable, naive people on here who fall for the **** you are selling. Hence why you do it.
You willfully come here to spread misinformation.

SHAME ON YOU!!
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A much better reply to br14 than I could ever pen..... says it all.
 
The_Tiler said:
They are protesting at being locked up already, basically in their own homes for 2 years.

Freedom protesters, not anti-vax or far right. Just people who want to continue the rest of their lives as normal as possible.

The rest of the world are slowly getting there, but some countries like Canada, France and New Zealand, are continuing to enforce strict measures when clearly they are no longer needed.

Time we all moved on put the last two dreadful years behind us.
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Yup, Covid is clearly over, with no new cases or deaths. Hurrah we've won
 
FabioPorkpie said:
That’s exactly what they want you to think.
They want people like you to naively push that message for them, to try and legitimise their opportunistic quest to create unrest against left leaning governments. Don’t be a pawn.
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But no doubt only you see through their evil plot.
These truckers are hard working, genuine people who have complied with all of Trudeau's never ending restrictions on their freedoms and now that something like 90% of Canadians are vaccinated they quite rightly want their freedoms back. How come it's the left leaning countries like Canada, New Zealand, Scotland etc that are so reluctant to relinquish their controls on people's lives??
 
magic said:
But no doubt only you see through their evil plot.
These truckers are hard working, genuine people who have complied with all of Trudeau's never ending restrictions on their freedoms and now that something like 90% of Canadians are vaccinated they quite rightly want their freedoms back. How come it's the left leaning countries like Canada, New Zealand, Scotland etc that are so reluctant to relinquish their controls on people's lives??
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"Evil plot"

Honestly sometimes you need to read back what you've written 🤣
 
Ahaha 🤣
Coming from the brexit mentalist who voted for the ‘get brexit done’ party
 
magic said:
Ahaha 🤣
Coming from the brexit mentalist who voted for the ‘get brexit done’ party
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Anyway back to the subject.

Why do you think it's an "Evil plot"? I. Curious as to what goes through the brains of people who seem oblivious to a pandemic that has been going on for 2 years.

I do wonder where your head is at
 
FabioPorkpie said:
That’s exactly what they want you to think.
They want people like you to naively push that message for them, to try and legitimise their opportunistic quest to create unrest against left leaning governments. Don’t be a pawn.
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Your painting all of them with the same brush. I'm not disputing that there will be elements that you've mentioned to that protest in Canada but it was ultimately started by the truckers who just wanted to work.
 
magic said:
But no doubt only you see through their evil plot.
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No, silly. There has literally been hundreds of pages written about what’s going on, in media, magazines, websites and newspapers across the world. There have been countless tv spots on news channels.
The information is all there and available.
It is no great secret.
Have you looked at either of the articles I linked?
Course not, stupid question.
They are just the first examples I found, but there are loads that say the same thing. Let me guess….just a ‘mainstream media conspiracy’ right?


It’s amazing how often the ‘DYOR’ crowd aren’t aware of the basics.
 
Randy said:
Your painting all of them with the same brush. I'm not disputing that there will be elements that you've mentioned to that protest in Canada but it was ultimately started by the truckers who just wanted to work.
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I’m not painting all of them with the same brush at all.
 
I am not in favour of vaccine mandates, as I’ve said many times. I have sympathy for those truckers who started this and whose jobs are at risk.
But their legitimate cause has been hijacked and they are going against their Unions.

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Canadian Trucking Alliance Statement to Those Engaged in Road/Border Protests - Canadian Trucking Alliance

cantruck.ca cantruck.ca

‘The Canadian Trucking Alliance (CTA) does not support and strongly disapproves of any protests on public roadways, highways, and bridges. CTA believes such actions – especially those that interfere with public safety – are not how disagreements with government policies should be expressed. Members of the trucking industry who want to publicly express displeasure over government policies can choose to hold an organized, lawful event on Parliament Hill or contact their local MP.’

teamster.org

Teamsters Denounce Freedom Convoy Blockade at Canadian Border

(WASHINGTON) – The following is the official statement of Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa regarding the ongoing blockade by the Freedom Convoy protest a
teamster.org teamster.org

“The Teamsters Union denounces the ongoing Freedom Convoy protest at the Canadian border that continues to hurt workers and negatively impact our economy. The livelihood of working Americans and Canadians in the automotive, agricultural, and manufacturing sectors is threatened by this blockade.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
It’s been pointed out to you why the data is going to show that the vaccinated are becoming infected more than the unvaccinated, on multiple occasions now.
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Sorry I may not have seen your replies. I'm an intermittent poster/viewer. My apologies.

I'm not aware of the explanations to which you refer. But I do think you should take a look at the age-standardised rate per 100,000. Which I assume means they've used some mechanism to average out the higher case rates in the elderly (who are mostly vaccinated) and the higher numbers of unvaccinated in the young - who are consequently less likely to die. That is why I used only the infections chart and not the hospitalisations and deaths charts.

"Furthermore, the vaccines are NOT officially useless at preventing infection by omicron." - Poor choice of words. I meant "effectively useless". Getting boosted is certainly worthwhile if you're at risk from Omicron and provides strong protection against hospitalisation and death - but you do need to get boosted.

"You willfully come here to spread misinformation." - Not true. I present information either obtained from official sources or from research studies. My mistaken "officially useless" comment is one of the few times I've drawn any conclusions, and the data is fairly obvious about infection at least (which is the point). I don't know of other reasons than age and density of vaccination that explains variances in the infection rates (both of which I assume are balanced in the above data), but am happy to be educated.

I think most posters on this board are intelligent enough to draw their own conclusions and ignore my ramblings if they know of other factors.
 
NZBoro1 said:
Hi Tiler,
Interested to see what you class as strict measures, unless you count the request to wear a mask, show your vaccine pass in certain hospo businesses that request them (not all have gone down this line) or have table only service.
This will change when we get to x1000cases per day, then less restrictions kick in.
Also, the protestors are a pretty disparate lot, not all mandate or vaccine protestors, but all are anti government (both blue and red), which is making it difficult for the police to negotiate.
I suspect they will leave them over the weekend, then try and remove them next week .
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Indeed. Incredible these people far away judging our country with some ignorance and misjudgement. Now where are those jailers to let me out so I can go out for a short walk?
 
br14 said:
It's interesting you present that chart. I believe it's drawn from this document.


Page 44 has the summary rates per 100,000. Unlike in prior periods, the double vaccinated and single vaccinated comparative rates are not presented.
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Please note that the following table should be read in conjunction with pages 36 to 39 of this report, and the footnotes provided on page 44.

I think @fabiomay have pointed to those pages and the caveats attached previously.
 
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