The_Lizards_Jumpers
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So what you're effectively saying is that some people, because of where they were born, are more deserving than others ?
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So what you're effectively saying is that some people, because of where they were born, are more deserving than others ?
Ashford have elected tory MPs since 1931. If people continually vote for a party who's ideology is to cut funding for local authorities, and the schools they run, they really shouldn't be so shocked when those schools struggle as a result.
Sure, but annual UK gov spending is £140+bn a year. This is less than 2%, and as pointed out above it'd be even less if applicants were being processed properly.
JM14
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The reason people can’t get places in schools is because their budgets have been decimated, exactly the same as every other public service in this country.
Who’s fault is this?
I’ll give you a clue, it’s not the migrants but it is that party the MP from Ashford represents
ThatFragranceGuy
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2% of annual government spending on hotel bills is pretty significant imo. I agree but would be even less if handled properly which is why it needs addressing properly.
In context that's a quarter of what we spend on justice, just under half what we spend on culture media & sport, just over half what we spent on work and pensions etc
jam69
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Why does it matter where they were born?
The thing is we are a wealthy county that's run for the benefit of a sele t few and it doesn't have to be that way
Redwurzel
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The £7m per day will be not just be for hotels of assulum seekers its probably all living costs and admin costs. (say 63,000 people in total at £110 per day) . 50% of applications are eventually rejected.
The UK Government spends over £230bn a year just on the NHS so the £140bn quoted for all Government spending is well out.
I would guess the 2% quoted above by FG is more like 0.25% to 0.3%
We were giving the EU £8.6bn in net contributions a year to subsidise its spending on people outside the UK who were much better off than the aasulym seekers we currently receive.
The 50,000 Ugandan Asians that came to the UK in 1972 were unwanted by the UK Government and many of the UK population at the time, but they have contributed a lot in taxes, quite a few run large UK businesses now. Indirectly they are helping our needy now. Economically it was a successful decision for the UK Government.
There has to be some controls on immigration to maintain sensible social stability and short term demands on public services, but to me the UK maintains a sensible policy, we are not currently been invaded.
The UK Government spends over £230bn a year just on the NHS so the £140bn quoted for all Government spending is well out.
I would guess the 2% quoted above by FG is more like 0.25% to 0.3%
We were giving the EU £8.6bn in net contributions a year to subsidise its spending on people outside the UK who were much better off than the aasulym seekers we currently receive.
The 50,000 Ugandan Asians that came to the UK in 1972 were unwanted by the UK Government and many of the UK population at the time, but they have contributed a lot in taxes, quite a few run large UK businesses now. Indirectly they are helping our needy now. Economically it was a successful decision for the UK Government.
There has to be some controls on immigration to maintain sensible social stability and short term demands on public services, but to me the UK maintains a sensible policy, we are not currently been invaded.
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MolteniArcore
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This is incorrect. Someone who wants to claim asylum can do so in any country they wish, not the first safe country they enter.
Recently a large number of Albanian males have crossed the Channel. The problem is as we are not processing enough claims (4% of the 2021 claims up to now) we do not know if these people are genuine asylum seekers or economic migrants. We are also unable to return Albanians who aren't asylum seekers promptly due to the backlog. 53% of Albanian asylum seekers claims have been accepted by the UK Gov so far so it's not as cut and dry as the media claim.
I spend a lot of time in Ashford as my in-laws all live there. The reason people can't get their kids into local schools is the obscene amount of new homes that they are building and the massive influx of commuters into the area due to the HS1 rail link. Everything is a mess down there - my biggest bugbear are the roads - they are shocking. They are building everywhere but spending nothing on infrastructure to support the increased population. Ashford is one massive building site.
What is even more crazy though is they all vote Tory down there, love Brexit and hate immigration. The Tories gave them Brexit which in turn chews up the M20 due to the Dover delays. The Tories also gave them all these illegal boat crossings, they only started in 2018. The Tories also have been unable to deal with the boat crossings, planted processing centres in Kent and subjected the locals to to the associated problems of 40,000 people landing in Dover.
You would think that they may have cottoned on that the Tories have actually caused the problems they are experiencing but they all have their heads in the sand. They certainly are turkeys voting for Christmas. They will believe anything.
The common thread throughout is that it is Tory failure in Government over the last 12 years that have landed us in the utter mess that the country is currently in... and what do Tories do when everything has gone wrong? They blame the immigrants or the poor. It's not on trend to blame the poor currently as we have really low unemployment (which is also stifling growth - we need immigrants to fill our vacancies to create growth) but instead of turning these boat crossings into an advantage they are just blaming the asylum seekers for every one of our problems. Don't fall into their trap.
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Steer
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The £37bn the government wasted on track and trace alone would pay this £7m per day for 14.5 years. Get angry about that.
Get angry about Jacob Rees Mogg telling his business associates that the Nightingale hospitals set up during covid were a once in a lifetime opportunity to get rich.
Get angry about MPs giving lucrative post brexit ferry contracts to their mates who have no ferries.
Don't get angry about someone fleeing persecution getting £40 a week, and putting their kids in schools.
Get angry about Jacob Rees Mogg telling his business associates that the Nightingale hospitals set up during covid were a once in a lifetime opportunity to get rich.
Get angry about MPs giving lucrative post brexit ferry contracts to their mates who have no ferries.
Don't get angry about someone fleeing persecution getting £40 a week, and putting their kids in schools.
changingman
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Must admit, the timing is pretty much spot on from the Tories. They're widely expected to announce the further decimation of public service spending in the next couple of weeks.
What better way to lay the ground work for that announcement than re-ignite the anti-immigrant rhetoric, blaming issues not on their economic mismanagement, but on the "stretched to breaking point" services resulting from a handful of migrants who have entered the country.
Absolute playbook stuff but people fall for it every time.
What better way to lay the ground work for that announcement than re-ignite the anti-immigrant rhetoric, blaming issues not on their economic mismanagement, but on the "stretched to breaking point" services resulting from a handful of migrants who have entered the country.
Absolute playbook stuff but people fall for it every time.
Redwurzel
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Some of my ancestors came to England around 1620s they were French Huguenots (Protestants) and were heavily prosecuted and eventually outlawed in France. They were skilled metal workers. No one really wanted them in England in the 1620s, but they did alot to help establish specialist trades in England such as silversmiths, lace making, textiles, wire working.
Immigration has been an issue in the UK long before the current Tories got in.
Immigration has been an issue in the UK long before the current Tories got in.
BobendBert
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Immigration isn’t an issue and never has been. It’s a convenient thing for these sociopaths to blame.
The first thing you’ve got to decide is whether you’re on about immigrants or asylum seekers. They aren’t the same thing.
Immigration is a net benefit to our economy and society. That’s a fact. Brexit has done one positive thing to me which is highlight just how much we rely on EU workers.
Asylum seeking is another red herring. We don’t do our fair share. Per 10000 people we have less asylum seekers than just about every European country. That’s an embarrassment.
Asylum seeking is lower now than it was in the 90s when it was used by previous Tory scumbags in the war on the EU and for political gain.
The most interesting one though is that asylum seeking trends show that it cycles up during times of conflict - Syria, Middle East, Russia etc. think about why that might be.
This scumbag government has closed off all safe routes and fails to process applications. That means a bottleneck through the illegal routes playing into people traffickers hands. A perfect storm of evil and incompetence.
We should all be ashamed and not writing ‘controversial’ nonsense.
The first thing you’ve got to decide is whether you’re on about immigrants or asylum seekers. They aren’t the same thing.
Immigration is a net benefit to our economy and society. That’s a fact. Brexit has done one positive thing to me which is highlight just how much we rely on EU workers.
Asylum seeking is another red herring. We don’t do our fair share. Per 10000 people we have less asylum seekers than just about every European country. That’s an embarrassment.
Asylum seeking is lower now than it was in the 90s when it was used by previous Tory scumbags in the war on the EU and for political gain.
The most interesting one though is that asylum seeking trends show that it cycles up during times of conflict - Syria, Middle East, Russia etc. think about why that might be.
This scumbag government has closed off all safe routes and fails to process applications. That means a bottleneck through the illegal routes playing into people traffickers hands. A perfect storm of evil and incompetence.
We should all be ashamed and not writing ‘controversial’ nonsense.
BobendBert
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Hold on a sec, it was Labour (and I voted for them at the time) that created the wars in the Middle East and destabilised the entire region
So yes we have to take migrants because of people like Blair and also due to the damage global warming is doing to the planet. Which we in the west have largely caused
So let’s not re-write history and we went to war because Saudi Arabians attacked the world trade centre
So we obviously attacked Iran and Iraqboth imperialist wars where we then made billions in oil and gas
Where do I say otherwise? Of course the war caused higher numbers of asylum seekers. But what I said was that Tory governments used it for political gain. That’s not rewriting history. I didn’t say anything about who was to blame for increasing refugees, but there’s enough of that to go round to all on the political spectrum. I’m criticising those that have weaponised it.
jam69
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I think they was wars and western interference in the middle east long before labour came to power under BlairHold on a sec, it was Labour (and I voted for them at the time) that created the wars in the Middle East and destabilised the entire region
So yes we have to take migrants because of people like Blair and also due to the damage global warming is doing to the planet. Which we in the west have largely caused
So let’s not re-write history and we went to war because Saudi Arabians attacked the world trade centre
So we obviously attacked Iran and Iraq
newusername
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FWIW not 'Track & Trace' but 'Test & Trace', the budget included all the free tests, all the testing sites, all the lab facilities, etc
£37bn was the budget over two years. In Y1 the budget was £22bn & they spent £13.5bn, of which £10bn was on tests.
In Y2 the budget was £15bn (hence the £37bn figure that gets banded about) with the vast majority again being spent on tests.
BoroFur
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Tell us something we didn't know.
BBC News - Dover attack driven by right-wing ideology - police
BBC News - Dover attack driven by right-wing ideology - police
Dover attack driven by right-wing ideology - police
Andrew Leak threw up to three incendiary devices at the site in Dover, Kent, last Sunday.
www.bbc.co.uk
That figure is way, way low. According to the figures from HM Treasury on the link below, the total expenditure limit for UK government departments in the latest fiscal year was £544.8 billion.
I think you might be looking at the total for local government spending, which is indeed £143.7 billion.
Public spending statistics, July 2022
ThePrisoner
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The Spectator's view. Third Reich would be proud.
