Bye bye right to peaceful protest

I always thought that was it’s job? Whenever I hear about MI5 or gchq tapping phones I always think: “well good, that’s what we are paying them for”
It probably is their job, I also don’t think it makes any difference unless they unearth a terrorist type activity.

I also like the idea of the government being paranoid about what people outside of their control are up to. It gives Patel and Johnson something to worry about.
 
I don’t think it’s any surprise is it?

Didn‘t MI5 tap the phones of union leaders and activists in the 1970’s?
And later. Scargill and Mick McGahey were both bugged during the miners' strike. Scargill used to shout abuse at his listeners down the phone.

And after 9/11 much of the country was (understandably) listened in on. I was in a relationship at the time with an ex CND member who'd been at Greenham Common and you could suddenly hear clicks and echoes when you picked up the phone for a few weeks.
 
I don’t think it’s any surprise is it?

Didn‘t MI5 tap the phones of union leaders and activists in the 1970’s?
Covert Operations in the name of "Counter - Terrorism and Subversion":
Make no mistake, MI5 and other organs of the state dont need permission to carry on with illegal activities - against legitimate dissent and protest - because they circumvent the law with impunity.
 
Countries where protests can be ‘legally restricted’.

Egypt
China
Russia
Iran
North Korea
Myanmar

.... and The United Kingdom.
 
Seems a number of countries have used the pandemic as a vehicle to have a tighter grip on these things - not so Ute reading this we are such an outlier though:

 
Seems a number of countries have used the pandemic as a vehicle to have a tighter grip on these things - not so Ute reading this we are such an outlier though:


It's one thing to use the pandemic to temporarily limit freedom's to avoid spreading a virus.

It a completely different thing that the Tories are using the virus as a cover to permanently remove freedoms.
 
So let me get this straight: You didn't vote leave, and yet when I come on attacking vote leave you post and attack me? Wow, I think that's even worse behaviour than Erimus. at least he believes in his last cause. To actually get involved in a topic just to have a go at aposter, even though you agree with them? That's a different level of pathetic right there

It wasn't an attack.
I just don't know what you thought the outcome of voting Conservative would be, as they seem to be doing everything everyone expected they would.
 
It wasn't an attack.
I just don't know what you thought the outcome of voting Conservative would be, as they seem to be doing everything everyone expected they would.
Of course it was an attack: you’d rather just insult me then discuss the issue. It’s the very definition of an internet attack. I know there is a gang of you so the bully has been normalised but that’s what is happening regularly now. Like I said it’s even weirder in your case and @Tommy_Dickfingers because you both claim not to have voted for Brexit yet you both respond to my Brexit posts with personal attacks. So you pretend to defend something you don’t believe in, just to attack me. That’s even worse bullying behaviour than @Erimus74
 
Of course it was an attack: you’d rather just insult me then discuss the issue. It’s the very definition of an internet attack. I know there is a gang of you so the bully has been normalised but that’s what is happening regularly now. Like I said it’s even weirder in your case and @Tommy_Dickfingers because you both claim not to have voted for Brexit yet you both respond to my Brexit posts with personal attacks. So you pretend to defend something you don’t believe in, just to attack me. That’s even worse bullying behaviour than @Erimus74
FFS

Give it a break.
 
Of course it was an attack: you’d rather just insult me then discuss the issue. It’s the very definition of an internet attack. I know there is a gang of you so the bully has been normalised but that’s what is happening regularly now. Like I said it’s even weirder in your case and @Tommy_Dickfingers because you both claim not to have voted for Brexit yet you both respond to my Brexit posts with personal attacks. So you pretend to defend something you don’t believe in, just to attack me. That’s even worse bullying behaviour than @Erimus74
As I've said numerous times, calling me thick, bigot, nasty & wishing I didn't exist is not insulting me

I've been involved in a Brexit debate with Andy W, with 1finny, EFL, others too & not once have I resorted, or them resorted to name calling, as the 1st 2 names didn't either, even one of the nicest posters on this board weegord who we've had a disagreement with

There are a few posters who will bring Brexit into the conversation without insulting people, you glorify in it then play the victim xard

As I said yesterday, contact Rob & if he says I'm bullying you then I will happily walk away from this board full stop, because I know I'm not
 
No. That kind of behaviour is utterly appalling. You admit yiu didn't vote brexit yet you'll defend it to the hilt if it means you can attack me. Lime I said, it's worse than @Erimus74 and his harassment. At least he's doing it to deflect from the problems of brexit. Yiu and @newusername are just doing at to try and bully me
Do we need to do an intervention? Seriously small town these last two days you seem to be manic, Is everything ok?
I don’t think anyone’s bullying you from what I have seen. I’ve said before I know you don’t like Brexit and you’ve admitted yourself you are very angry about it but I don’t think squabbling on here is going to change that. There are some decent posters on here like Erimus and mr dicky fingers who you are falling out with and accusing of bullying.
Maybe give the brexit stuff a break , talk football or something else and cool off a bit.
I think you are an ok poster most of the time but jeez you are on one these last two days. Relax take it easy.
I come in peace ✌️
 
Do we need to do an intervention? Seriously small town these last two days you seem to be manic, Is everything ok?
I don’t think anyone’s bullying you from what I have seen. I’ve said before I know you don’t like Brexit and you’ve admitted yourself you are very angry about it but I don’t think squabbling on here is going to change that. There are some decent posters on here like Erimus and mr dicky fingers who you are falling out with and accusing of bullying.
Maybe give the brexit stuff a break , talk football or something else and cool off a bit.
I think you are an ok poster most of the time but jeez you are on one these last two days. Relax take it easy.
I come in peace ✌️
I'm calling it out now. I've been too relaxed about it but it's got too much. Certain posters don't care about a topic at all these days all they want to do is attack me. That's not what this place should be about. I let it slide in the past because I didn't want to cause a fuss but I'm not going to stand for it anymore. You'll find it hard to find a post from @Erimus74 that ever addresses what I'm talking about, just has personal jibes at me. @Tommy_Dickfingers and @newusername aren't the only ones but both constantly attack me for any brexit thread I make. Both of the have also admitted they didn't vote for Brexit. So they are using it as an excuse to have a go at me and I'm not standing for it anymore. It's proper scummy behaviour to attack me for my remain stance and then say "oh but I didn't vote for Brexit" that's admitting it's a personal attack. I'm all for reasoned debate, discussion and even the odd mickey take but when you get a group of posters who'll ignore whatever content you put and just attack you when you make a post it's too much and I'm not standing for it anymore. I'm not going to let them normalise bullying me and I'm going to pull anyone up who just gets personal and ignores that subject matter.

I should add that I don't count you in that category @FatCat . I disagree with a lot of what you say but I've always found you a reaonsable poster and will attack a post of mine based on facts or experience you have to the contrary, which is totally fine. That opens up debate and hopefully we both learn something from it.
 
ST needs to find some gainful employment or a hobby soon because his obsessive posting is as worrisome as it is tedious and boring, not least his well worn but misguided bullying path because he appears based on current evidence simply incapable of a mature debate. If he is in employment, I cant imagine his employer is getting value for money on account of the amount of time spent on circular arguments and the frequency of which he posts, especially over the last few days. Maybe he's taken a week off to get wound up, rather than use annual leave to wind down like most folk do
i did wonder how long it'd talk you to chip in on a thread where people are personally attacking me. Good restraint shown to wait this long. You're probably the worst. You give it the old pretending to be reasonable angle. You're to like the rest.You don't even try to disguise you personal insults of me
 
i did wonder how long it'd talk you to chip in on a thread where people are personally attacking me. Good restraint shown to wait this long. You're probably the worst. You give it the old pretending to be reasonable angle. You're to like the rest.You don't even try to disguise you personal insults of me
Correct, I don't, and nor do I have any wish to. You know exactly what I think of you after you private messaged me telling me what I could and couldn't post. You thought I'd back down and it was clear you were a bit taken aback when I told you exactly where to go
 
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