But Brexit...

SmallTown said:
Why do you say that? We've already discussed this and all agreed it was a success story.

Poor brexiteers, clinging to a story that may not be brexit related and having to recycle it and (as is their way) lying by saying everyone is ignoring it.
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And the mud starts to be slung again, why can't these threads just run along nicely instead of a little needle either side
 
Erimus74 said:
And the mud starts to be slung again, why can't these threads just run along nicely instead of a little needle either side
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It's not really mud slinging. It's just me pointing put a standard trait from the pro brexit posters. Chris was clearly lying when he said no kne was talking about it as there was an entire separate thread devoted to it. Just trying to expose the typical brexit mantra of being untruthful to prove your point.
 
OK I'm wrong with my wording, im just saying we get countless Brexit posts about anything negative regarding Brexit & posters lapnit up, soon as something positive is posted it's followed by replies of nothing to do with Brexit etc, etc, then as per the thread starts off slowly going off track till the usual ending
 
Plenty of information available that Freeports do not have the economic impact that is being claimed and are ideal places for tax evasion and money laundering.

I think the talk of creating 20-30k jobs is just that, talk.
 
Erimus74 said:
OK I'm wrong with my wording, im just saying we get countless Brexit posts about anything negative regarding Brexit & posters lapnit up, soon as something positive is posted it's followed by replies of nothing to do with Brexit etc, etc, then as per the thread starts off slowly going off track till the usual ending
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To be fair, if its nothing to do with brexit then people are entitled to point that out. Brexit has damaged the economy, restricted our freedom of movement and made getting good to and from the EU more difficult. Therefore to defend brexit you'll need to bring stored that show how brexit has improved things. A story that things have stayed the same isn't good enough because it doesn't offset the damage being done by brexit. It makes the whole exercise seem pointless and needlessly destructive.
 
Erimus74 said:
OK I'm wrong with my wording, im just saying we get countless Brexit posts about anything negative regarding Brexit & posters lapnit up, soon as something positive is posted it's followed by replies of nothing to do with Brexit etc, etc, then as per the thread starts off slowly going off track till the usual ending
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But this is nothing to do with brexit erimus. The article even states this is happening despite brexit. That's not a positive point for brexit, it's just not a negative one. Hardly something worth bragging about.

Appreciate people who voted for brexit are desperate for any proof that they've not been duped by the likes of farage and Johnson. No one likes to admit they've been sold a pup. And who knows, maybe there will genuinely be some significant positives eventually, I've not got a crystal ball.

But this story isn't one and it seems pretty unlikely at this moment in time that there'll be any worth crowing about. Hence some people scraping the barrel for stories like this.
 
festa5 said:
But this is nothing to do with brexit erimus. The article even states this is happening despite brexit. That's not a positive point for brexit, it's just not a negative one. Hardly something worth bragging about.

Appreciate people who voted for brexit are desperate for any proof that they've not been duped by the likes of farage and Johnson. No one likes to admit they've been sold a pup. And who knows, maybe there will genuinely be some significant positives eventually, I've not got a crystal ball.

But this story isn't one and it seems pretty unlikely at this moment in time that there'll be any worth crowing about. Hence some people scraping the barrel for stories like this.
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I've not been sold a pup, as you say you haven't got a crystal ball, so not knowing what's going to happen to the area, country as a whole is just pure guesswork, IMHO mind
 

Erimus74 said:
I've not been sold a pup, as you say you haven't got a crystal ball, so not knowing what's going to happen to the area, country as a whole is just pure guesswork, IMHO mind
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If you don't know what's going to happen, how do you know you've not been sold a pup? 😉

I don't think it's pure guesswork at all. Lots of very clever people have used lots of information to come to the conclusion we'll be worse off. They maybe can't say with 100% certainty but it's more than just guesswork. They're pretty confident.

If you're happy with the deal and how it's gone, then fair enough. Suspect you're very much in the minority though.
 
SmallTown said:
Why do you say that? We've already discussed this and all agreed it was a success story.

Poor brexiteers, clinging to a story that may not be brexit related and having to recycle it and (as is their way) lying by saying everyone is ignoring it.
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Well to be fair there has been 3 separate posts saying that due to Brexit we are now killing the bees. Proved incorrect by Way Out West in the first post... so can't just be brexiteers recycling old posts and lying
 
festa5 said:
If you don't know what's going to happen, how do you know you've not been sold a pup? 😉

I don't think it's pure guesswork at all. Lots of very clever people have used lots of information to come to the conclusion we'll be worse off. They maybe can't say with 100% certainty but it's more than just guesswork. They're pretty confident.

If you're happy with the deal and how it's gone, then fair enough. Suspect you're very much in the minority though.
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I would say if you don't know, as you will guess though, that I have been sold a pup

I'm happy how I've voted, am I in the minority though, probably not
 
festa5 said:
If you don't know what's going to happen, how do you know you've not been sold a pup? 😉

I don't think it's pure guesswork at all. Lots of very clever people have used lots of information to come to the conclusion we'll be worse off. They maybe can't say with 100% certainty but it's more than just guesswork. They're pretty confident.

If you're happy with the deal and how it's gone, then fair enough. Suspect you're very much in the minority though.
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The deal we've struck though Festa is not set in concrete it is really only a framework for future negotiations, of which there will be many. The Swiss have regular trade negotiations with the EU, as will we. I'm happy enough with the deal, as I felt it was better than none at all, but the current deal will evolve as time goes on. The economic impact of it won't be determined over the next few weeks or months and we'll only really know whether Brexit has been a success in 5-10 years from now I'd imagine
 
Erimus74 said:
I've not been sold a pup, as you say you haven't got a crystal ball, so not knowing what's going to happen to the area, country as a whole is just pure guesswork, IMHO mind
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You can kknd of work out out though can't you? Slower and more expensive trade with our biggest trading partner, trade deals which either don't exist or are exactly the same as they were before. Restricted freedom of movement. Not ideal conditions for cresting a utopia.

Lest we forget, countries punish other countries by applying economic sanctions on them. We most be the first country to actually give ourselves economic sanctions. So yiu may worry about guesswork but I would sincerely love to know how making it more expensive and slower for ourselves to trade will do anything other than damage the economy.
 
“we'll only really know whether Brexit has been a success in 5-10 years from now I'd imagine”

By which time you’ll find the country back in again. 😉
 
Abel Tasman said:
“we'll only really know whether Brexit has been a success in 5-10 years from now I'd imagine”

By which time you’ll find the country back in again. 😉
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I think you're more likely not to have an EU by then tbh. Most nations are looking at us and seeing how we handle Brexit. All being good the anti EU movements across the continent will grow and the bloc will collapse
 
Londons_Moggie said:
The deal we've struck though Festa is not set in concrete it is really only a framework for future negotiations, of which there will be many. The Swiss have regular trade negotiations with the EU, as will we. I'm happy enough with the deal, as I felt it was better than none at all, but the current deal will evolve as time goes on. The economic impact of it won't be determined over the next few weeks or months and we'll only really know whether Brexit has been a success in 5-10 years from now I'd imagine
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5 to 10 years? Better than Cooper's timescale he was prepared to give it 20.
 
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