Brexit = single biggest mistake

How much what? Pay?
What I have seen its Living Wage rates (£9.50/hour) in social care for staff without extra responsibiltes i.e poor pay for what people are expected to do.

Health pay is better in the NHS, fully trained nurses can earn around £32k/year and there is generous pension scheme. GPS more like £100k/year and consultants can be £150k/year.
 
What I have seen its Living Wage rates (£9.50/hour) in social care for staff without extra responsibiltes i.e poor pay for what people are expected to do.

Health pay is better in the NHS, fully trained nurses can earn around £32k/year and there is generous pension scheme. GPS more like £100k/year and consultants can be £150k/year.
Social care is poorly paid for the responsibilities people have. But that's no different to what it was when the recruitment difficulties were nothing like now. Despite your post full of whataboutery, I am telling you categorically that Brexit has, both directly and indirectly, impacted on the NHS and social care in a huge way.
 
Sherlock

How many EU workers have left their jobs where you work and left the UK in the last 4 years?

Roughly what % of the workforce does this represent ?

Are there any non EU workers?

Remember alot of people have left to workforce to retire or semi retire (baby boomers) most industries are affected and other countries besides the UK. At the same time there are fewer young people than say 30 years ago. (on Teesside look how there are fewer schools than in the 1970s)

There is an increasing older population that need care, much more then in the past for a variety of reasons (living longer, family moved away etc).

Pay needs to increase and fees will have to rise - the EU workers of 20 years ago are not there anyway as I tried to explain and some dealt with EU immigrants anyway. Fees increasing is not nice I agree.

Maybe we just have to disagree but I don't think Brexit is the main cause of staff shortages in social care.
 
The worst decision as a country was kicking out Gordon Brown, who had saved the country from the worst of the global financial crisis and was respected in the rest of the world. All the rest follows….
 
Sherlock

How many EU workers have left their jobs where you work and left the UK in the last 4 years?

Roughly what % of the workforce does this represent ?

Are there any non EU workers?

Remember alot of people have left to workforce to retire or semi retire (baby boomers) most industries are affected and other countries besides the UK. At the same time there are fewer young people than say 30 years ago. (on Teesside look how there are fewer schools than in the 1970s)

There is an increasing older population that need care, much more then in the past for a variety of reasons (living longer, family moved away etc).

Pay needs to increase and fees will have to rise - the EU workers of 20 years ago are not there anyway as I tried to explain and some dealt with EU immigrants anyway. Fees increasing is not nice I agree.

Maybe we just have to disagree but I don't think Brexit is the main cause of staff shortages in social care.
I said Brexit was a primary driver, one of several.

It's fine to disagree, but you are wrong if you think it is not one of the main issues at present - the others being covid and this shyt show of a government.
 
I said Brexit was a primary driver, one of several.

It's fine to disagree, but you are wrong if you think it is not one of the main issues at present - the others being covid and this shyt show of a government.
That's the issue with the brexiteer and his whataboutery isn't it? Brexit has made the country demonstably worse, in every single way. However, as other things are factors they can use this to ignore the problems it's causing. COVID was the ultimate get out of jail free card for the brexiteer who is too scared to admit he was conned. You can just say "but COVID" and ignore the part Brexit has played in the nations failings.
 
Small town, Redwurzel never said we would join the Euro.

That’s the second time in as many days you’ve lied he has said something that he hasn’t. Far from the person you’re referring to being the liar. The liar is unequivocally you who will fabricate events or claim things to then attack them and use the very same words you made up to attack them. But we can check what people have said and you’re fabricating words. It’s really quite sinister

This is what redwurzel said “Leaving the EU (as a political union, increasingly federal e.g common currency and common economic polices, that will struggle to be held together”

You said in response “He still repeats a Brexit lie. We were NEVER going to join the Euro. That was one of the many many Brexit lies that people still repeat”

I assume you are trying to get other people to attack someone over things you have made up about them or you want people to like you who are tribal on this issue

But you voted Tory so you voted a hard brexit and you voted to leave the SM, CU, a hard border and for a known liar in Johnson for someone who was going to erect a physical border in Northern Ireland

I see you’re also against nationalisation. I asked if you would vote Labour or Libs and you didn’t reply.

🤷🏻‍♂️

In other words you appear to be galling others who you know are tribal to attack members of this board who share an alternative opinion
As I said ealier in the thread, the biggest mistake we have made as a country is electing Johnson. There were ways to leave the EU without the damage that has been caused. Remain in the single market and customs union even. Johnson getting elected in 2019 is what did for the country. That and the 80 seat majority that smalltown helped to elect.

We have each other on ignore so I don't know what he said, and I don't really care. Heard his tired old schtick over and over again.
 
I said Brexit was a primary driver, one of several.

It's fine to disagree, but you are wrong if you think it is not one of the main issues at present - the others being covid and this shyt show of a government.
Sherlock I didn't vote for this Government as I hope you didn't so we can agree on that.

I said leaving the EU is not the main (primary) reason for problems in the NHS and Social care as people who work there have told me including the poster Exiled on here. There were a lot of issues in these sectors before Covid and before leaving the EU. One big one was called the demographic time bomb which has been discussed for the last 30 years by economists etc. Some EU citizens like my sister in law have helped pluged the gap, but it was not a long term solution.

I expect pay rates to increase (slightly above inflation) for low paid staff, particularly in the social care sector which should help in the medium term. If pay does not increase a lot of care homes will be lost. Better rates of pay will stop people leaving etc

I do visit care homes so I know what a great job some staff do and many deserve higher pay.

If we joined the Single Market we could have free movement of labour with EU countries as I believe Norway has. To me its important that we encourage a political party to adopt this change and vote for them. Alternatively encourage visa aplications for health and care workers.

My experience is that quite a few care workers and NHS doctors come from outside the EU. Its not ideal that the UK takes such skilled workers from poorer countries, but money talks.
 
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