Brexit barriers and the young: a new deal is needed

Centralscrutinizer said:
If we ever get freedom of movement back it'll be that bad in the UK that there'll be an exodus of people going to the EU to try and earn money to send home to their families. There'll be a role reversal with EU people complaining about Brits coming over and working cheap and taking their jobs.
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Just like the early 1980's. Now who was in charge of the Government then?
 
Exporting has been a nightmare. we have saved on duties on imports quite a bit in my company but then the freight price for a box to the EU doubled so you loose any savings made.

i said at the time i wouldn't trust 50% of the population to make me a cup of tea let alone vote on our membership of the EU.

and then the mess they made of the negotiations on the "oven ready deal" has been nothing short of a disgrace.
 
Nano said:
This would just exacerbate the existing problem of wage stagnation which is the primary good reason for not having freedom of movement. FoM adversely affects low/unskilled by increasing labour supply. Far more people want to come to the UK and work than want to go the other way and so the people that are negatively impacted are those that have to compete for jobs with people willing to work for less than minimum wage.

There are some specific things that are problematic as pointed out in that article which can be solved with a bit of co-operation. We don't need to rejoin the EU to have specific visas for touring musicians. We don't have to rejoin the EU to go back to having ID lists instead of passports for visiting school groups etc. A bit of co-operation can go a long way to alleviate a lot of the issues. We want to avoid a situation where we allow companies just to import foreign workers because it is cheaper but there is no reason we can't be flexible on specific areas.
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I've never been sold on this argument personally and certainly wouldn't lay it at the door of the EU.

Wage stagnation can (and should) be addressed by the UK government. If businesses are undercutting the wage market by targeting EU workers, governments can absolutely intervene and set minimum standards/wages etc. The fact that we elect successive governments in thrall to a "race to the bottom" on wages is our fault frankly.
 
Low_Key said:
Exporting has been a nightmare. we have saved on duties on imports quite a bit in my company but then the freight price for a box to the EU doubled so you loose any savings made.

i said at the time i wouldn't trust 50% of the population to make me a cup of tea let alone vote on our membership of the EU.

and then the mess they made of the negotiations on the "oven ready deal" has been nothing short of a disgrace.
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Pardon my ignorance but how have you saved on EU import duties? I thought they were zero before brexit anyway?
 
Ziggy said:
4000 doctors and almost 5000 nurses and midwives left the NHS, identifying Brexit as the reason.

Nuffield Trust and Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC) claim
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Is that a recent survey? I'm naturally suspicious of surveys and stats, but the only survey by Nuffield I can see is from Sep last year.

It said the main reasons given were retirement, work/life balance, health, workplace environment.

There was nothing to indicate that Brexit, was the only or even main reason.

In fact to my eyes, the graphs show that the number of leavers/joiners has been pretty consistent since Brexit.

If the blame and focus is put on Brexit is there a danger the problems above will not be properly addressed?
Balance, health, environment are surely all linked.

What I did find a bit confusing was that the number of staff joining the NHS is still showing as higher than those leaving.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
A big difference between voting intention and being politically active. Me and another bunch of old folks will be knocking on doors and delivering leaflets come the next election. We need the youngsters to take part too.
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You'll only get youngsters to take part by inspiring them and that means having policies that speak to them. And when you have a Labour Party leader who changes policy and moves closer to the Tories every time he thinks he might lose the votes of a couple of oldies in the north, that ain't going to happen.
 
Will_Graham said:
Pardon my ignorance but how have you saved on EU import duties? I thought they were zero before brexit anyway?
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sorry, a lot of our products come from outside of the EU. so we have lost tariffs that were applied to quite a lot of things we import from China for example. Titanium has gone from 7% to 0% tariff. and if we change the use of the item and then class it as made in the UK then we can export it to the EU for 0% also.
 
Low_Key said:
sorry, a lot of our products come from outside of the EU. so we have lost tariffs that were applied to quite a lot of things we import from China for example. Titanium has gone from 7% to 0% tariff. and if we change the use of the item and then class it as made in the UK then we can export it to the EU for 0% also.
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Thanks 👍
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
It always should do as long as we have a growing population and an ageing one.
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Yes, that makes sense.
I just didn't expect to see it after the figures quoted above.
There are that many stats and interpretations of them out there it is difficult to get a grasp on the truth. It is easy to use them to support just about any point of view or agenda.
 
Will_Graham said:
Thanks 👍
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Low_Key said:
sorry, a lot of our products come from outside of the EU. so we have lost tariffs that were applied to quite a lot of things we import from China for example. Titanium has gone from 7% to 0% tariff. and if we change the use of the item and then class it as made in the UK then we can export it to the EU for 0% also.
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How easy is it to get around rules of origin requirements? I'd have thought the EU would have been on top of it to protect their market.
 
ThePrisoner said:
How easy is it to get around rules of origin requirements? I'd have thought the EU would have been on top of it to protect their market.
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suppose it depends on how big your company is and how much export you are doing as to whether HMRC are going to look into you.

it should be that more than 50% of the product value is added in the UK or if you significantly change the product so it changes tariff code then you can class it as "preferential UK origin" when exporting to the EU. but the 50%

There are other novelties too so for example if you import cable from Turkey into the UK then into the EU from the UK it carries no tariffs as the EU has a pre-existing deal with Turkey, providing you don't alter the product before export.

the government documentation on this alone is crazy and an absolute minefield. plus there was supposed to be a deadline date for the 50% to kick in but as with most things concerning brexit at the moment the deadline is likely to slip or be scrapped similar to the CE/UKCA marking debacle. a process that became so complex that the government just abandoned it
 
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