Jedi boro
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No, the message of support has completely gone for this season. In F1.
It’s not that the tv doesn’t show it, it’s not there to show.
Boro, please 'take the knee' next season
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No, the message of support has completely gone for this season. In F1.
It’s not that the tv doesn’t show it, it’s not there to show.
1finny
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There was a clear message to players from then manager Warnock.
We know his views
To expect players to form their own opinion with a bully around is naive in the extreme.
Caesium137
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Not ridiculous.I've also seen sites mocking Harry Kane for wearing the rainbow armband. We certainly have a lot to do as a society....we can't let the knuckledraggers win
newyddion
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I think it should come from fans groups, to the club and then filtered down to the players.. not the other way around.
Uwefuchs
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I know sport can have a role to play in dealing with some of societies problems like this but I think the problem is far too big to be solved by a bunch of footballers kneeling as well.
Unfortunately many people are still hardwired to think that people from a different country or who have a different skin colour are a threat to them.
Children need educating, parents need educating and everyone needs to learn to be nicer to each other. People with black skin aren't the enemy, neither are gay people, Chinese people or even geordies.
The enemy are the politicians and media who whip up this hatred for their own benefit, and people are conned into believing it and it comes down to fear which the politicians play on.
When we've got a racist prime minister, a racist home Secretary (who was an immigrant herself) and a cabinet who enable a racist PM then we've got no chance.
The problem is rooted far deeper than football and I feel sorry for the players sometimes who are expected to lead the fight.
Unfortunately many people are still hardwired to think that people from a different country or who have a different skin colour are a threat to them.
Children need educating, parents need educating and everyone needs to learn to be nicer to each other. People with black skin aren't the enemy, neither are gay people, Chinese people or even geordies.
The enemy are the politicians and media who whip up this hatred for their own benefit, and people are conned into believing it and it comes down to fear which the politicians play on.
When we've got a racist prime minister, a racist home Secretary (who was an immigrant herself) and a cabinet who enable a racist PM then we've got no chance.
The problem is rooted far deeper than football and I feel sorry for the players sometimes who are expected to lead the fight.
SmallTown
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No ssurprise really. they never walked the walk
Caesium137
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#lipservice
It'll be a whole lot worse when Sen and Lewis are gone in a couple of years.
SmallTown
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Yeah those two are really pushing good causes. When they retire it'lk go backwards. Hopefully Schumacher will keep highlighting things though. Seb has taught him well
Randy
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Great post.
Leadership should be coming from the very top. Not from footballers taking a knee which has unfortunately divided people after Kapernick's original protest held so much power.
JM14
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Has it divided people though? Racists are going to be racist, this is them showing it publicly. Among decent people no divide has been caused
SmallTown
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I don't think didviding people is correct. It's exposed racism. that's true
Randy
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Maybes divided is the wrong word. When Kapernick first took that knee it was a very powerful statement. Now it's been diluted into a stick to beat people with.
SmallTown
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Human rights aren't politics
Got to disagree with you there. Human rights come from the political leaders
NYboro
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No doubt, you also approve of sportswashing.
SmallTown
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Got to disagree with you there. Human rights come from everyone. It's very disturbing to me that you want to ignore inequality and bigotry and you say it's because it's "political"
For two reasons. 1: "political" things are important. We wouldn't be in the mess we are now if people weren't being willfully ignorant of politics and allowing our country to fail
2. Footballers have a voice and media presence. Why would anyone NOT want them to use that to highlight injustices?
Frozen Horse
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I can't agree with "human rights come from politicians".
That implies it is within the politicians rights to take them away., and that is untrue.
They are everyone's responsibility.
Do I think some none-too-bright young lads who are good at kicking balls shoulder too much responsibility? Almost certainly yes. However, racism affects them most: their position in society exposes them to some of the most open displays of racism in the country. Yes, it falls to them to take action, but it should not fall to them alone.
As for "politics and sport shouldn't mix", maybe they shouldn't, but to put it bluntly, they do. Racism shouldn't happen, but it does. Sport is used as a political weapon, and we have to deal with that.
That implies it is within the politicians rights to take them away., and that is untrue.
They are everyone's responsibility.
Do I think some none-too-bright young lads who are good at kicking balls shoulder too much responsibility? Almost certainly yes. However, racism affects them most: their position in society exposes them to some of the most open displays of racism in the country. Yes, it falls to them to take action, but it should not fall to them alone.
As for "politics and sport shouldn't mix", maybe they shouldn't, but to put it bluntly, they do. Racism shouldn't happen, but it does. Sport is used as a political weapon, and we have to deal with that.
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Unfortunately human rights are set by politicians. Go and take a look at countries with tyranical leaderships if you don't think thats the case.
Where have I said I want to ignore inequality or bigotry?
There are many opportunities to raise and voice your concerns about any matters you feel strongly about. I don't see why it has to be brought into football where a lot of people go to simply for the love of football.
Caesium137
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But a lot of the young black players have been racially abused on social media by football fans, and these players want to make a stand against racism whilst at work representing England.
They are literally 'using an opportunity to raise their voices and concerns', should a love of football be enough of a reason to allow racial abuse and booing of an anti-racism gesture?
What harm is it really doing?