BMX Finals

Zoophonic said:
Ah what’s happened here? It does appear you have been a little keen to jump on this as a “class war” issue and it really isn’t what I meant at all.

I admit after rereading my post I could have put it better but if somebody who is wanting to interpret it as such could be forgiven. What I meant to say, as mentioned by others, is the difference between an athlete who has been given £950,000 to support her and two colleagues in their Dressage Olympic training programme compared with Beth.

Beth Shriever worked part-time as a teaching assistant in a nursery at the Stephen Perse Foundation to cover some of her costs of training and travelling because UK Sport stipulated in its funding review after the 2016 Rio that only male BMX riders would be supported heading towards Tokyo 2020. It was the £950,000 v £0 disparity that I compared. I chose cdJ for the amount of money she got to assist her in her undoubted terrific achievement. I could have used the rowers as a comparison but they were poor and achieved considerably less with their funding.

Your indignation was really unnecessary .
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It seemed a shame to me that instead of celebrating a great victory you seemed to have a pop at another Olympian. Ok I got it wrong but it seemed like you were making less of CDJ achievements just because she has support. Apologies if I read that wrongly
 
SmallTown said:
It seemed a shame to me that instead of celebrating a great victory you seemed to have a pop at another Olympian. Ok I got it wrong but it seemed like you were making less of CDJ achievements just because she has support. Apologies if I read that wrongly
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WTF. I have already told you I wasn’t having a pop at her. And I wasn’t conducting a “class war” I can assure you I would never ever do that. Congratulations once again for hijacking yet another thread which was congratulating a great sporting achievement in order to pursue your imaginary agenda.
 
I would expect BMX will get a decent funding pot for the next Olympics after those great results, maybe at the expense of the rowers who have lost their way since Grobler retired as the coach
 
Brewtal said:
I would expect BMX will get a decent funding pot for the next Olympics after those great results, maybe at the expense of the rowers who have lost their way since Grobler retired as the coach
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And I would like us to get away from a performance based funding system. Think it places unnecessary pressure on coaches and athletes alike. Don’t think it will help rowing a great deal merely cutting their funding. It needs a complete overhaul with a good coaching and support infrastructure put in place. Funding for all sports
 
Zoophonic said:
Ah what’s happened here? It does appear you have been a little keen to jump on this as a “class war” issue and it really isn’t what I meant at all.

I admit after rereading my post I could have put it better but if somebody who is wanting to interpret it as such could be forgiven. What I meant to say, as mentioned by others, is the difference between an athlete who has been given £950,000 to support her and two colleagues in their Dressage Olympic training programme compared with Beth.

Beth Shriever worked part-time as a teaching assistant in a nursery at the Stephen Perse Foundation to cover some of her costs of training and travelling because UK Sport stipulated in its funding review after the 2016 Rio that only male BMX riders would be supported heading towards Tokyo 2020. It was the £950,000 v £0 disparity that I compared. I chose cdJ for the amount of money she got to assist her in her undoubted terrific achievement. I could have used the rowers as a comparison but they were poor and achieved considerably less with their funding.

Your indignation was really unnecessary .
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Actually a 4 year funding programme has been put in place for Paris already and rowing isnt getting a cut.

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I'm going to have to defend Small town here for jumping to conclusions because when I read zoo's post and saw 'She is on a different level in terms of achievement to somebody like Charlotte du Jardin' I was a bit taken aback. However, knowing that zoo is a decent poster I did think I might have misinterpreted it and he's qualified his statement to remove any confusion.
I'd agree that funding needs to be split more equitably and based less on performances whih can be affected by all sorts of vagaries on the day such as the weather, illness and even poor luck.
 
Shotputters should get the least as they can win a Gold medal in the least time. Less than 6 seconds to qualify and win a Gold medal. No effort at all.
 
Zoophonic said:
WTF. I have already told you I wasn’t having a pop at her. And I wasn’t conducting a “class war” I can assure you I would never ever do that. Congratulations once again for hijacking yet another thread which was congratulating a great sporting achievement in order to pursue your imaginary agenda.
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Yes you said that, which is why I apologised. It was my misunderstanding. There's no need to be so aggressive post that.
 
I dont get this. Recorded all the BBC Zcoverage last night. Saw Kyle win his semi. Saw Beth win her semi. Showed the men get the 8s bronze and a bit of womens boxing. Cut away from the boxing early to Beth's final . Loved it but at the end they said that's a Gold for her and a silver for Kyle. I've been back and fwd and can't find his race. Did they show it ?
 
Blf said:
I dont get this. Recorded all the BBC Zcoverage last night. Saw Kyle win his semi. Saw Beth win her semi. Showed the men get the 8s bronze and a bit of womens boxing. Cut away from the boxing early to Beth's final . Loved it but at the end they said that's a Gold for her and a silver for Kyle. I've been back and fwd and can't find his race. Did they show it ?
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It was on live this morning. Will get it numerous repeats through the day no doubt.
 
Just been on and said there was a timing issue. Seen it now. Never watched this sport before. It was really exciting.
 
I've just seen Beth Shriever's three semi final runs for the first time and she absolutely dominated them all. Phenomenal performance of skill and power.
 
Too much emphasis on medals.
Yesterday on the north east news the news reader said something like
“And York swimmer James Wilby only comes 6th in the final”
That’s only 6th in the world!!!
It would be a bit different if he was 6th best footballer in the world.
 
BillyBoyStu said:
Too much emphasis on medals.
Yesterday on the north east news the news reader said something like
“And York swimmer James Wilby only comes 6th in the final”
That’s only 6th in the world!!!
It would be a bit different if he was 6th best footballer in the world.
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I agree. Competing is the important thing. But as soon as athletes become funded by third parties then rates of return become the yardstick.

The word "amateur" to me embodies everything that is good in sport. "Professional" embodies everything that's bad and undesirable. I know I'm in a minority, and probably a small minority these days, but I loved playing rugby and football and tennis and golf in amateur events. Only golf preserves the amateur ethos now. I feel privileged to have been part of an amateur world and sorry that people in the best years of their sports lives won't enjoy it like I did.
 
Soutra said:
I agree. Competing is the important thing. But as soon as athletes become funded by third parties then rates of return become the yardstick.

The word "amateur" to me embodies everything that is good in sport. "Professional" embodies everything that's bad and undesirable. I know I'm in a minority, and probably a small minority these days, but I loved playing rugby and football and tennis and golf in amateur events. Only golf preserves the amateur ethos now. I feel privileged to have been part of an amateur world and sorry that people in the best years of their sports lives won't enjoy it like I did.
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Then get rid of UK Sport and get rid of funding. If competing is the important thing, as you say, then there's no need for athletes to be training full-time, there's no need to be financially supporting them and their desires to win medals at the Olympics. We can return to the days when GB was coming home with less than a dozen gold medals and sport participation in this country drops of a cliff.
 
Soutra said:
I agree. Competing is the important thing. But as soon as athletes become funded by third parties then rates of return become the yardstick.

The word "amateur" to me embodies everything that is good in sport. "Professional" embodies everything that's bad and undesirable. I know I'm in a minority, and probably a small minority these days, but I loved playing rugby and football and tennis and golf in amateur events. Only golf preserves the amateur ethos now. I feel privileged to have been part of an amateur world and sorry that people in the best years of their sports lives won't enjoy it like I did.
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Not quite sure I understand your point Soutra. Are you saying only golf displays the true ideals of amateurism of sportsmanship? Surely any sport played at amateur level in clubs up and down the country he it cycling, bowls, tennis badminton etc has those attributes in abundance.
 
MFP said:
Then get rid of UK Sport and get rid of funding. If competing is the important thing, as you say, then there's no need for athletes to be training full-time, there's no need to be financially supporting them and their desires to win medals at the Olympics. We can return to the days when GB was coming home with less than a dozen gold medals and sport participation in this country drops of a cliff.
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I'm sure that most Olympic athletes in most sports are externally funded, so of course if Team GB is going to be competitive, then external funding is necessary. What I meant was that before external funding was the norm, sport was fun and enjoyable. I wonder if Naomi Osaka, Ben Stokes and Simone Biles enjoy it?
Cardiffdaffs said:
Not quite sure I understand your point Soutra. Are you saying only golf displays the true ideals of amateurism of sportsmanship? Surely any sport played at amateur level in clubs up and down the country he it cycling, bowls, tennis badminton etc has those attributes in abundance.
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No, I mentioned those sports because that's what I played. If cycling and bowls and badminton still have an amateur ethos then that's great.
 
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