Banning the Palestinian flag

I mean.. we've went through the 2020 global pandemic.. we've got drones, robot lawnmowers, electric cars are becoming the norm.. how long before the fascists stepped in?

we're living in 2023.. the books and movies told us all about this stuff.
 
French police tried yesterday to take down the Palestinian flags from Palestine supporters at Parc des Princes stadium during PSG match with Israel's Maccabi Haifa team.

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It’s a year to the day since Celtic played Shakhtar at home, where fans were not only allowed to show support for Ukraine but encouraged.

Today, the Celtic board and UEFA have already condemned the flying of the Palestinian flag and are trying to silence the views of the fans… because it doesn’t suit the media’s agenda
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The west, with the possible exception of the UN should hang their heads in shame at their handling and attitude towards this.

The kow towing to a far right, war criminal government is pathetic. Things like these flag displays make the establishment very uncomfortable as it challenges the narrative they want to push. Our ruling class might be happy to turn a blind eye to the indiscriminate murder of children, turns out lots of the public aren't.

The BBC article and commentary on it is also pathetic. It mentions the Hamas attacks on Israel but makes absolute no mention of the war crimes Israel has perpetrated in response. It reads as if Celtic fans are backing the terrorist attacks on Israel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-67215217
 
I'll admit that I don't really know much about Palestine and I don't have a clue who are the "good" guys and the "bad" guys as the history is very confusing.. Israel is getting a lot of international support and news about them being the "good" guys, but are they?

Palestine split into 2 parts within Israel right? Gaza and the West Bank?
 
sadgit said:
I'll admit that I don't really know much about Palestine and I don't have a clue who are the "good" guys and the "bad" guys as the history is very confusing.. Israel is getting a lot of international support and news about them being the "good" guys, but are they?

Palestine split into 2 parts within Israel right? Gaza and the West Bank?
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I don't think there are any good guys 😔
 
h_m_boro said:
The good guys are the ordinary peaceful Palestinians and Israeli's who for years have been f*cked over by their hard-line religious leaders, masquerading as "their" politicians pretending they have the people's interests at heart.

HAMAS v Zionists, the cause of all of the killings.

Absolute b*stards 🤬🤬
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Hamas weren't around for the majority of this, including the first nakba.
 
sadgit said:
I'll admit that I don't really know much about Palestine and I don't have a clue who are the "good" guys and the "bad" guys as the history is very confusing.. Israel is getting a lot of international support and news about them being the "good" guys, but are they?

Palestine split into 2 parts within Israel right? Gaza and the West Bank?
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The bad guys are the ones on both sides murdering civilians, the good guy are the ones trying to go about their daily life and getting bombed, shot and murdered by the other side.

As for a very abridged history of the last 100 years, my understanding is:
- Western countries, namely us were already in that region plundering it as we do in the early 1900s. The region that is now Israel was inhabited by arabic Palestinians and Jewish people side by side. They were all oppressed by Turks then us.
- WW2 ended there was a push for a safe haven for Jewish people to live, the state of Israel was invented and internal lines for Palestinian and jewish areas were created. Lots of arabs were turfed out of their homes and moved to "arab areas" and vice versa for Jewish people. General consensus is that the arabs got stuffed over by this agreement.
- The country of Israel in its constitution stated that Jewish people from anywhere in the world had the right to live there and have full citizenship. Over the next 75 years that changed the demographics of the country to be largely Jewish. A First Past the Post voting system meant that Arabs could never gain any power in government.
- Both sides fought each other over the ownership of the city of Jerusalem as it was a "holy site" for both sides and other lands.
- There was a war as Syria, Egypt and other arab countries looked to defend Palestinians and got beaten by Israel in a week.
- So the conflicts started in earnest. Palestinians started to feel oppressed, they had little voice in how things were run, an apartheid system evolved, and successive Israeli governments took more and more land off the Palestinian people under the guise of "security for jewish people", the 50-50 split of 75 years ago is now 80-20 in favour of Israeli jews.
- Both sides became entrenched lobbing bombs at each other and over the last 20 years around 30 Palestinians have died at the hands of the Israeli army for everyone person murdered by Hamas.

There are bad people and mistakes on both sides, western political meddling is definitely at the heart of what is happening over there, Israeli government are effectively committing a long drawn out genocide.
 
BoroMart said:
The bad guys are the ones on both sides murdering civilians, the good guy are the ones trying to go about their daily life and getting bombed, shot and murdered by the other side.

As for a very abridged history of the last 100 years, my understanding is:
- Western countries, namely us were already in that region plundering it as we do in the early 1900s. The region that is now Israel was inhabited by arabic Palestinians and Jewish people side by side. They were all oppressed by Turks then us.
- WW2 ended there was a push for a safe haven for Jewish people to live, the state of Israel was invented and internal lines for Palestinian and jewish areas were created. Lots of arabs were turfed out of their homes and moved to "arab areas" and vice versa for Jewish people. General consensus is that the arabs got stuffed over by this agreement.
- The country of Israel in its constitution stated that Jewish people from anywhere in the world had the right to live there and have full citizenship. Over the next 75 years that changed the demographics of the country to be largely Jewish. A First Past the Post voting system meant that Arabs could never gain any power in government.
- Both sides fought each other over the ownership of the city of Jerusalem as it was a "holy site" for both sides and other lands.
- There was a war as Syria, Egypt and other arab countries looked to defend Palestinians and got beaten by Israel in a week.
- So the conflicts started in earnest. Palestinians started to feel oppressed, they had little voice in how things were run, an apartheid system evolved, and successive Israeli governments took more and more land off the Palestinian people under the guise of "security for jewish people", the 50-50 split of 75 years ago is now 80-20 in favour of Israeli jews.
- Both sides became entrenched lobbing bombs at each other and over the last 20 years around 30 Palestinians have died at the hands of the Israeli army for everyone person murdered by Hamas.

There are bad people and mistakes on both sides, western political meddling is definitely at the heart of what is happening over there, Israeli government are effectively committing a long drawn out genocide.
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This is an excellent explanation ( by the only decent Tory)
 
sadgit said:
I'll admit that I don't really know much about Palestine and I don't have a clue who are the "good" guys and the "bad" guys as the history is very confusing.. Israel is getting a lot of international support and news about them being the "good" guys, but are they?

Palestine split into 2 parts within Israel right? Gaza and the West Bank?
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Yes. In a nutshell:

The Israeli state was established after the 2nd world war (in 1947 IIRC) in a bit of a hurry out of what was the British controlled area in Palestine, ostensibly to give displaced Jews a home. . Almost immediately Arab countries invaded to try to stop the establishment and took back quite a bit of land and there has been a varieties of wars, fragile truces and bits of stability ever since. 1967 saw the 6 days war when Israel took back a lot of the West Bank from Jordan, and the Gaza strip from Egypt (and the Sinai peninsula, but they gave that back later). Jerusalem is divided up in Arab and Jewish sections.

The Arabs think the Jews are on their land, the Jews think the Arabs have nicked part of their land and some people have forgotten what they are fighting over, but like a good a scrap, and the majority think the minority should stop fighting and let everyone get on with each other, but that aint going to happen.

Hamas are Gaza based and mad as box of frogs, Fatah are sort of in control of the Palestinian bits of the West Bank, more moderate but politically weak. When Fatah get close to some sort of peace deal with Israel, Hamas kick off to stop it happening. Criticising Hamas normally results in death, so they enjoy a lot of apparent support within Gaza. The Israeli military are fairly brutal when it comes to policing what they see as incursions onto their land.

The is no legitimate reason to ban a Palestinian flag. It would be right to ban anything that specifically promoted / supported Hamas, who are officially terrorists.

Hamas stated aim is to get rid of the Israeli state. Israel wants to destroy Hamas and neither seem to care that a lot of innocent citizens of both sides are getting killed in the crossfire.


hope that's bit clearer (y)
 
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