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EU playing the Okey Kokey here. Moaning that they don't have enough vaccines and meddling with vaccine exports, and at the same time saying that they don't want this particular vaccine because someone thinks that it is not safe. What is not safe is elderly people NOT being vaccinated.

Yes, I know it different people saying different things based on different evidence, but in instances like this the EU seems to be too big and cumbersome.
 
Steer said:
EU playing the Okey Kokey here. Moaning that they don't have enough vaccines and meddling with vaccine exports, and at the same time saying that they don't want this particular vaccine because someone thinks that it is not safe. What is not safe is elderly people NOT being vaccinated.

Yes, I know it different people saying different things based on different evidence, but in instances like this the EU seems to be too big and cumbersome.
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THE EU DID NOT DO THIS!
 
Doom_On_Horseback said:
Ever the optimist, I'm hoping that because it's been such big news, and that the EMA have checked it again and emphasized that it's fine, that people in Europe will accept it. But I guess we'll see.
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The damage is mostly done, crap like this might knock down the punters by 10%, and you never get them all back, they will be lucky to get half of them back. It will also (even more unreasonably) raise doubts about the other vaccines.

They need to just stop all anti-vaccine posts/ media, as people just do not understand the statistics or credibility of it, and the fear will reduce uptake, and that basically means more die.

Raising false doubts, publicly, is effectively knowingly spreading fake news, which is massively increasing the risk to peoples lives.
 
Steer said:
EU playing the Okey Kokey here. Moaning that they don't have enough vaccines and meddling with vaccine exports, and at the same time saying that they don't want this particular vaccine because someone thinks that it is not safe.
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In case it hasn't been mentioned before, this has nothing to do with the EU. However, what the EU are complaining about is that whereas they have provided vaccines for many countries, including 10m to the UK, we have not reciprocated, so the countries that have held off for a couple of days until its safety was confirmed have not really endangered their populations at all.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
So why did they stop using it?

Edit: I know the EMA didn't declare it unsafe, but European governments stopped using and went against the advice their experts offered.
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The EU didn't stop using it. Sovereign countries, some in the EU and some not in the EU stopped using it. I really thought we had covered this the other day
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
However, what the EU are complaining about is that whereas they have provided vaccines for many countries, including 10m to the UK, we have not reciprocated,
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So are they saying if they send us 10m we should reciprocate by sending 10m back? Might as well save the transport costs.
 
spanishman said:
Do people not really understand assessment of risk? There are bound to be different views on this taken by different countries.
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But the experts in these countries stated it was safe to use and they went against this advice
SmallTown said:
The EU didn't stop using it. Sovereign countries, some in the EU and some not in the EU stopped using it. I really thought we had covered this the other day
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I think you need to read that post again, you have more or less paraphrased the part I edited, but can you answer me one question, did these countries go against the advice of their own scientists?

As for covering this the other day, I don't follow all your threads and find all the t*t for tat on the EU and Brexit tiresome. Leaving Brexit has broke my dreams of moving to France when I retire early in September.
 
Boris Johnson has denied that the Indian government has limited vaccine exports. This directly contradicts what the Indian foreign minister told Lok Sabha.

It seems strange that the PM is more exercised about EU merely threatening to halt exports, than India having actually done just that.

Another thing that's less surprising is that many on here are happy to parrot the anti-EU line rather than think a little on it.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
But the experts in these countries stated it was safe to use and they went against this advice

I think you need to read that post again, you have more or less paraphrased the part I edited, but can you answer me one question, did these countries go against the advice of their own scientists?

As for covering this the other day, I don't follow all your threads and find all the t*t for tat on the EU and Brexit tiresome. Leaving Brexit has broke my dreams of moving to France when I retire early in September.
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You said why did “they” stop using it. In this context you meant the EU no? If you didn’t then I apologise. If you did then I stand by what I said
 
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