Away ticket allocation idea

Nano said:
I'm not calling you a Tory or insulting you. I am saying the system is a Tory type of system where those with the most resources can buy access to the front of the queue and those with fewest resources don't even have a chance. Compare it to the NHS where everyone has universal access and there is no priority based on ability to pay but then allowing a private system to let the wealthy always get to the front. The old system we had was universal, the priority system is like a private system. Some people who would say that was a Tory system which is where the comparison comes from.

Not everyone wants to go to Preston, Plymouth or Leicester but their circumstances might mean they can only get to Sunderland or Leeds but the system means they have no chance no matter how many seasons in a row they try for that specific away match.

It's in no way a personal attack. You are taking it as one because you fit the role of the queue jumper in the scenario but it is the system that is being criticised and not the people that use the system. I do feel though Rob that your role as fan representative should mean you seek to represent all fans, no matter their attendance record, and shouldn't prioritise the fans that have a similar circumstance to yourself. I'm not knocking you and I do believe you want to be fair but there is obviously a blind spot at times for circumstances that you aren't in yourself.
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Quite a lot of peoples circumstances on here seems to allow them to go to Leeds/Sunderland away, but suddenly stops them going to the likes of Preston and Leicester when plenty of tickets are available
 
JM14 said:
Quite a lot of peoples circumstances on here seems to allow them to go to Leeds/Sunderland away, but suddenly stops them going to the likes of Preston and Leicester when plenty of tickets are available
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Would you be against the suggestion I made of 100 tickets in every 1,000 going to a ballot for those that do not meet the away points threshold?
 
JM14 said:
Quite a lot of peoples circumstances on here seems to allow them to go to Leeds/Sunderland away, but suddenly stops them going to the likes of Preston and Leicester when plenty of tickets are available
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Funny that isn't it that people find it easier/cheaper to get to a match less than an hour away.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Would you be against the suggestion I made of 100 tickets in every 1,000 going to a ballot for those that do not meet the away points threshold?
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So 100 people with points from attending numerous away games have to miss out over those who just fancy going because it’s a big game?
 
Nano said:
Funny that isn't it that people find it easier/cheaper to get to a match less than an hour away.
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Preston is 30 minutes further than Leeds, Leicester is 90 minutes further and both work out cheaper trips due to the ticket prices
 
JM14 said:
Preston is 30 minutes further than Leeds, Leicester is 90 minutes further and both work out cheaper trips due to the ticket prices
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Preston is midweek and 90 mins on a Saturday is a lot if you work Saturday morning/evening.

I find it baffling that someone can't understand that a local match is more convenient for people.
 
Nano said:
Preston is midweek and 90 mins on a Saturday is a lot if you work Saturday morning/evening.

I find it baffling that someone can't understand that a local match is more convenient for people.
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Blackburn was on a Saturday and didn’t sell out, it’s one of the easiest and cheapest games to get to

If we get a premier league side away in the cup they sell out straight away, it’s nothing to do with convenience, people just want to be at the big games
 
Norman_Conquest said:
Yes, if that is what needs to happen to stop people from feeling excluded.
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No need for anyone to feel excluded, we don’t have another away game this season that will sell out before general sale.

If people want to go then they can, nothing is stopping them
 
JM14 said:
No need for anyone to feel excluded, we don’t have another away game this season that will sell out before general sale.

If people want to go then they can, nothing is stopping them
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The reason they won't sell out is due to the performances on the pitch and those with the correct priority points have had enough and won't attend. I am sure the same games would sell out if we were amongst the play off contenders. Up to the raggy @rse rovers now to take up the slack and buy the tickets whilst they can.

I suppose beggars can't be choosers and they should be grateful for the scraps you throw them.
 
JM14 said:
Blackburn was on a Saturday and didn’t sell out, it’s one of the easiest and cheapest games to get to

If we get a premier league side away in the cup they sell out straight away, it’s nothing to do with convenience, people just want to be at the big games
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The cost for an adult going to Blackburn with club travel was £50.
For Leeds it was also £50.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
The reason they won't sell out is due to the performances on the pitch and those with the correct priority points have had enough and won't attend. I am sure the same games would sell out if we were amongst the play off contenders. Up to the raggy @rse rovers now to take up the slack and buy the tickets whilst they can.

I suppose beggars can't be choosers and they should be grateful for the scraps you throw them.
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So to clarify, no one is actually excluding you from away games? You only fancy turning up when the teams winning?
 
JM14 said:
So to clarify, no one is actually excluding you from away games? You only fancy turning up when the teams winning?
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No one is excluding me, what I want is to allow fans who aren't as fortunate to have the chance to attend and don't see what impact a small percentage of tickets would have.

You on the other hand want it always.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
No one is excluding me, what I want is to allow fans who aren't as fortunate to have the chance to attend and don't see what impact a small percentage of tickets would have.

You on the other hand want it alwa
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Nano said:
Funny that isn't it that people find it easier/cheaper to get to a match less than an hour away.
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So is it just one match a season that you would advocate this system for - just Sunderland?
 
Norman_Conquest said:
The reason they won't sell out is due to the performances on the pitch and those with the correct priority points have had enough and won't attend. I am sure the same games would sell out if we were amongst the play off contenders. Up to the raggy @rse rovers now to take up the slack and buy the tickets whilst they can.

I suppose beggars can't be choosers and they should be grateful for the scraps you throw them.
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There will be plenty who won’t now go to away games aswell of home game for the rest of the season due to recent performances. So with this in mind what advantages has someone with an away season ticket got to anyone who goes to most away matches with plenty of priority points ?
 
Nano said:
Preston is midweek and 90 mins on a Saturday is a lot if you work Saturday morning/evening.

I find it baffling that someone can't understand that a local match is more convenient for people.
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But you would be ok if it was a big game I presume.
 
fmttmadmin said:
So is it just one match a season that you would advocate this system for - just Sunderland?
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No, a small percentage of tickets should be set aside for any game that could sell out.


Rob - I put this on page 5 but you and JM14 seemed to ignore it.

There is no doubting that the priority points systems helps our club manage ticket allocations and I agree that at present it is the fairest way of allocating tickets at this moment in time. Priority points also come with potential drawbacks that need to be carefully considered by the club and fans groups.

The club needs to strike a balance between rewarding loyalty and ensuring accessibility and fairness for all supporters and this where the 20% of tickets was suggested to go on general sale, which I believe is too high and should be closer to 10%. Would 100 tickets in every 1,000 be a bad thing?

As a club, we need to be carful that we aren’t putting newer or walk up fans at a disadvantage and create inequality among supporters, with those who are less able to attend matches feeling marginalised or excluded from attending. Already, many fans perceive it as difficult to accumulate enough points to access tickets for high-demand games, creating an ‘us and them’ that can be clearly seen on this thread. In any other walk of life we wouldn’t tolerate it.

Some of us may have the resources or flexibility around work, college, etc. to attend away matches and I take my hat off to their commitment. I feel that the present set up also puts pressure on fans to buy tickets for games that they are not going to attend. We’ve seen several fans on here trying to sell tickets for games they had no intention of attending and only buying them to accumulate the points.

I read that Newcastle block a number of away tickets and fans have to prove they are the person named on the ticket. Failure to do so makes the ticket void and sanctions put in place for the ticket purchaser and the points accumulated for that ticket deducted. Something that could be easily replicated by the Boro.

The opening post by BigUnit is only a suggestion and from what I have read on here, many feel it is a personal attack on them and their right to have first choice of tickets. This is not the case, it about allowing others to have a seat at the table. Is putting a limited allocation of tickets open to a ballot for those who do not meet the away points threshold really a bad thing?
 
Norman_Conquest said:
No one is excluding me, what I want is to allow fans who aren't as fortunate to have the chance to attend and don't see what impact a small percentage of tickets would have.

You on the other hand want it always.
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As I said, not one single person is excluded from going to away games

If someone only wants to turn up for Sunderland away when we happen to be playing well, but doesn’t fancy any of the other away games, then yes they will be excluded from that particular game
 
I would agree to a trial tun of what the OP suggested but put 10% of tickets in a ballot for Plymouth, Norwich, Southampton and a mid week game against one of the London clubs. If the uptake is good expand it to the bigger/closer games.
 
JM14 said:
If someone only wants to turn up for Sunderland away when we happen to be playing well, but doesn’t fancy any of the other away games, then yes they will be excluded from that particular game
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And that we both agree on. We have fans who attend away games but won't have the required points, these fans would be placed in the ballot and given the outside chance of attending.
 
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