Away ticket allocation idea

I understand the original question posted on here so when we are saying general sale at how many points do we class general sale. No points then that would probably count at every one who has points.
 
And let's not forget to add the people who abuse the system.

We all know people who use other people's accounts to get tickets to away games they don't have enough points for themselves.

Therefore allowing people to gain points through the season without actually attending the matches and also allowing people who potentially have no PP jumping the queue in front of people with a decent amount but just not enough.

That is the main failing of the current system. This drives the thresholds up for purchasing tickets.

I'm not against the idea of holding back a smallish percentage of each allocation to allow people with less points a chance to get a ticket for more away games. Even if they didn't impose it for the absolute top matches like Sunderland/Leeds etc but just allowed people to have a chance to get to Huddersfield, Rotherham, Hull etc on a Saturday. Instead of having to do multiple long or midweek trips to build the points up
 
fmttmadmin said:
Humpty I don't think you know the circumstances and choices people have made to amass their priority points totals,
It isn't just a case of being lucky, You might miss out on family events or just family time. It could be a decision that impacts on your career even. People miss weddings, all sorts of things. I know I have.

Please do not throw insults around - especially because someone is driving to Preston and Leicester and maybe will be going to QPR and Southampton to support their team. Where is the justification in calling people names because they are watching their team/your team?
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It appears you're not really considering the circumstances of those that haven't been able to amass points either.

With reference to the insult, it's only an insult if you perceive that ideology to be insulting. This is ultimately a 'have' and 'have nots' discussion, so take it as you will.

I don't like the system but i understand why it exists. I think the original post is a way of giving everyone the chance of a ticket.
 
I know people have issues with the gold card and chairman’s drink getting extra points but I think what would be a good idea is maybe an extra point for away games that make general sale.
 
Marvanelli said:
But you have a chance?

For example...Preston this week has made general sale, like the majority of our away games.
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That's not the point I'm making, I'm not saying I can't get to away games, I'm saying MY PERSONAL circumstances mean I cannot get to enough away games to enable I can get my priority points, and more importantly, my two kids priority points high enough, so I can get tickets to high demand games.

The idea proposed by the OP would mean that people in similar situations would at least have a small chance of higher demand away games
 
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B_G said:
And let's not forget to add the people who abuse the system.

We all know people who use other people's accounts to get tickets to away games they don't have enough points for themselves.

Therefore allowing people to gain points through the season without actually attending the matches and also allowing people who potentially have no PP jumping the queue in front of people with a decent amount but just not enough.

That is the main failing of the current system. This drives the thresholds up for purchasing tickets.

I'm not against the idea of holding back a smallish percentage of each allocation to allow people with less points a chance to get a ticket for more away games. Even if they didn't impose it for the absolute top matches like Sunderland/Leeds etc but just allowed people to have a chance to get to Huddersfield, Rotherham, Hull etc on a Saturday. Instead of having to do multiple long or midweek trips to build the points up
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To address that weakness I would advocate what some clubs have done this season (Newcastle, Brighton) - random id checks at away games, with punishments(loss of loyalty points).
 
fmttmadmin said:
About that. A little more.
I really don't understand Nano's argument at all. Hardly any Boro away games are sell outs. Neither of the matches this week - probably none remaining this season. So he could go to any of them yet he chooses to attack me because I am buying tickets for all the games. Even calls me a Tory. I am not labelling him. Or seeking to means test him. Or judge him in anyway.
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I'm not calling you a Tory or insulting you. I am saying the system is a Tory type of system where those with the most resources can buy access to the front of the queue and those with fewest resources don't even have a chance. Compare it to the NHS where everyone has universal access and there is no priority based on ability to pay but then allowing a private system to let the wealthy always get to the front. The old system we had was universal, the priority system is like a private system. Some people who would say that was a Tory system which is where the comparison comes from.

Not everyone wants to go to Preston, Plymouth or Leicester but their circumstances might mean they can only get to Sunderland or Leeds but the system means they have no chance no matter how many seasons in a row they try for that specific away match.

It's in no way a personal attack. You are taking it as one because you fit the role of the queue jumper in the scenario but it is the system that is being criticised and not the people that use the system. I do feel though Rob that your role as fan representative should mean you seek to represent all fans, no matter their attendance record, and shouldn't prioritise the fans that have a similar circumstance to yourself. I'm not knocking you and I do believe you want to be fair but there is obviously a blind spot at times for circumstances that you aren't in yourself.
 
Great idea.

People like me have been ST holder for years, 60+ away grounds, don every game in the season etc, work away, now miss half the games I pay for & generally have no chance of away tickets….now has a chance
 
There is no doubting that the priority points systems helps our club manage ticket allocations and I agree that at present it is the fairest way of allocating tickets at this moment in time. Priority points also come with potential drawbacks that need to be carefully considered by the club and fans groups.

The club needs to strike a balance between rewarding loyalty and ensuring accessibility and fairness for all supporters and this where the 20% of tickets was suggested to go on general sale, which I believe is too high and should be closer to 10%. Would 100 tickets in every 1,000 be a bad thing?

As a club, we need to be carful that we aren’t putting newer or walk up fans at a disadvantage and create inequality among supporters, with those who are less able to attend matches feeling marginalised or excluded from attending. Already, many fans perceive it as difficult to accumulate enough points to access tickets for high-demand games, creating an ‘us and them’ that can be clearly seen on this thread. In any other walk of life we wouldn’t tolerate it.

Some of us may have the resources or flexibility around work, college, etc. to attend away matches and I take my hat off to their commitment. I feel that the present set up also puts pressure on fans to buy tickets for games that they are not going to attend. We’ve seen several fans on here trying to sell tickets for games they had no intention of attending and only buying them to accumulate the points.

I read that Newcastle block a number of away tickets and fans have to prove they are the person named on the ticket. Failure to do so makes the ticket void and sanctions put in place for the ticket purchaser and the points accumulated for that ticket deducted. Something that could be easily replicated by the Boro.

The opening post by BigUnit is only a suggestion and from what I have read on here, many feel it is a personal attack on them and their right to have first choice of tickets. This is not the case, it about allowing others to have a seat at the table. Is putting a limited allocation of tickets open to a ballot for those who do not meet the away points threshold really a bad thing?
 
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Humpty said:
When this system came in to play, i said that it devalues a season ticket. Buying a season ticket used to guarantee you a chance of getting an in demand away ticket. It no longer provides that benefit.
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You're not going to like the wording on the MFC early bird email.
 
It wasn't an issue this season excepting 2 or 3 games. And whatever system the Xmas fixtures would be in high demand and Sunderland too. Didn't the high Leeds allocation mean that seats were open to far lower points this season?
 
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