As much crap as you like thread

Boro.Fur said:
But this is a discussion about Brexit primarily and there was never a promise, nor a "promise", made to anyone by anyone about doing the "right thing" and applying to rejoin the EU. You seem to want to expand the discussion into Labour's general offering to the left.
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It was a discussion about how Starmer speaks. If it's okay to expand that into a discussion about Brexit then I don't see why it's not okay to expand it slightly further.

Prior to the last election there was no end of discussions around why voting for Labour was the best choice for the left due to the fact that Starmer was playing 5-D Chess and had a 'long-game' in terms of righting the wrongs of the previous governments. One of those wrongs was the implementation and subsequent handling of Brexit.

People, like me, who said that Labour, under Starmer, would continue with the Tory narratives were told - by other people, including yourself - that we were wrong. So far I'm not seeing much proof of that.
 
Scrote said:
It was a discussion about how Starmer speaks. If it's okay to expand that into a discussion about Brexit then I don't see why it's not okay to expand it slightly further.

Prior to the last election there was no end of discussions around why voting for Labour was the best choice for the left due to the fact that Starmer was playing 5-D Chess and had a 'long-game' in terms of righting the wrongs of the previous governments. One of those wrongs was the implementation and subsequent handling of Brexit.

People, like me, who said that Labour, under Starmer, would continue with the Tory narratives were told - by other people, including yourself - that we were wrong. So far I'm not seeing much proof of that.
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It’s a thoroughly depressing state of affairs that our main choice as an electorate is between far right wing Tory or right wing Labour.

Even more depressing that the other option people say can ‘save’ us is fascist Reform.

Might be time to finally forgive the Lib Dems for the coalition.
 
Scrote said:
It was a discussion about how Starmer speaks. If it's okay to expand that into a discussion about Brexit then I don't see why it's not okay to expand it slightly further.
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Well it did start off as a quite ridiculous thread about how Starmer speaks. I wouldn't say it expanded into a discussion about Brexit, more a conscious derailing.

Scrote said:
Prior to the last election there was no end of discussions around why voting for Labour was the best choice for the left due to the fact that Starmer was playing 5-D Chess and had a 'long-game' in terms of righting the wrongs of the previous governments.
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I think the discussions were about Labour being the best choice for the country, not the left. Because if the left wanted everything to be about them that wouldn't be very democratic would it?

Scrote said:
One of those wrongs was the implementation and subsequent handling of Brexit.
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Saying that we will improve our relationship with the EU, strengthening economic and security ties, does not mean applying to rejoin the EU! Having read the manifesto and its references to the EU what did you expect to happen once Labour were in Government?

Scrote said:
People, like me, who said that Labour, under Starmer, would continue with the Tory narratives were told - by other people, including yourself - that we were wrong. So far I'm not seeing much proof of that.
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They've made some mistakes granted but they've also done a lot of good things. It's early days yet relatively speaking.
 
I can't believe there are 10 pages on here and no one's discussed the main topic it was posted for.

Starmer having a voice that would send someone suffering from insomnia to sleep.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
I can't believe there are 10 pages on here and no one's discussed the main topic it was posted for.

Starmer having a voice that would send someone suffering from insomnia to sleep.
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Starmer's speaking style is as awful as the rest of him.

If he did in fact pay this woman for voice coaching, he should be asking for a refund.
 
Bit odd this. He was a defence lawyer for 20 plus years before he became DPP so surely he must have developed a presentation of his voice by then.
 
Hicktonpen10 said:
You summarised the situation far more eloquently than I could. Millions voted remain or leave for a myriad of reasons and I find it perverse that as you say nearly a decade later some people seem unable or unwilling to accept that others might have a different view. I set out my broad point that their aim is ever closer union and although ridiculed gave a current example of the EU's tentacles involving themselves in facets of everyday life. As a retired lawyer I recall those endless Laws/Directives and Regulations from the EU that filled up many of the journals I used to have to read.
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If you're still practising, I have no doubt you have even more to read. Not only our own regulations, but also EU regulations, as the EU is our biggest trading partner; something which will not change.
 
Hicktonpen10 said:
Bit odd this. He was a defence lawyer for 20 plus years before he became DPP so surely he must have developed a presentation of his voice by then.
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Not necessarily no. People seem obsessed with pointless, un political things in their politicians nowadays. It's such a shame we judge them the way we judge a stand up comedian and not on their actual politics
 
NYboro said:
If you're still practising, I have no doubt you have even more to read. Not only our own regulations, but also EU regulations, as the EU is our biggest trading partner; something which will not change.
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There was an interesting interview with a north sea fisherman on GeeBeebies. He said he voted to remove EU regulations and red tape. He also said he much of a lie this was as he suffers more red tape now than he did when we were in the EU. It seems obvious really doesn't it? As you say we still have to do business with these people so we've added an extra layer of red tape needlessly
 
SmallTown said:
Not necessarily no. People seem obsessed with pointless, un political things in their politicians nowadays. It's such a shame we judge them the way we judge a stand up comedian and not on their actual politics
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Not judging Starmer at all. We have been crying out for a more stable and solid leader after the last rabble. I was just expressing a view that as experienced Counsel he hardly needed voice coaching but if he thought different I have no issue with that.
 
BoroBosco said:
He u-turned on it before the election.
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I don’t think he did, I know a proper right wing reform man who said he only voted Tory at that election because he promised an EU referendum.

The other thing Cameron did was get the Lib Dem vote by saying a hung result would result in Nicola Sturgeon in charge by coalition with Labour.

He was up to all sorts of fear mongering and making deals with older voters like the right wing always are.
 
SmallTown said:
Not necessarily no. People seem obsessed with pointless, un political things in their politicians nowadays. It's such a shame we judge them the way we judge a stand up comedian and not on their actual politics
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Only the right wingers looking to run a landslide Labour PM down, there’s nothing wrong with the way Starmer speaks.
 
Scrote said:
It was a discussion about how Starmer speaks. If it's okay to expand that into a discussion about Brexit then I don't see why it's not okay to expand it slightly further.

Prior to the last election there was no end of discussions around why voting for Labour was the best choice for the left due to the fact that Starmer was playing 5-D Chess and had a 'long-game' in terms of righting the wrongs of the previous governments. One of those wrongs was the implementation and subsequent handling of Brexit.

People, like me, who said that Labour, under Starmer, would continue with the Tory narratives were told - by other people, including yourself - that we were wrong. So far I'm not seeing much proof of that.
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Keep telling yourself that.

There are loads of things Labour are doing to improve the lot of the normal working person in this country.

Anybody expecting overnight change is naive at best, or more likely agenda driven.

The state of this country after 14 years of right wing rule is like trying to turn a super tanker round, I mean look what they did to the NHS. If Sunak had got in then it would be heading towards an insurance based system by now, probably led by Elon Musk.
 
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