Are we turning the Ukrainian people into targets?

Subbuteo_171 said:
Answer my question.

And if you can also point out where the insult is I’d be grateful. The simplest thing to do would be to admit you are incorrect. As per usual. But first, answer my question.
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I have answered. Please read the thread. A what are you struggling with?
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
Answer my question. I’ll repeat it here.

Are Brexit voters complicit in the attacks upon Crimea and Georgia plus the abhorrent destruction of Aleppo?
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Crimea was annexed before Brexit 🤣 but I don’t think Georgia and Syria are part of the Budapest memorandum. Nice try though.
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
So you agree Brexit voters were not complicit in the multiple military actions undertaken by Russia. Ok, we are getting somewhere.

Next question, when did Putin decide Ukraine should be brought back under Russian control?
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We’ve been through this! Good god. Putin was emboldened to invade Ukraine, one of the reasons is that one of the countries sworn to protect them under the Budapest memorandum was severely weakened and isolated by Brexit. Hence Brexit voters are in a small way complicit in the invasion. Everything you have posted is putting incorrect words in my mouth
 
SmallTown said:
We’ve been through this! Good god. Putin was emboldened to invade Ukraine, one of the reasons is that one of the countries sworn to protect them under the Budapest memorandum was severely weakened and isolated by Brexit. Hence Brexit voters are in a small way complicit in the invasion. Everything you have posted is putting incorrect words in my mouth
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Considering he started in 2014 pre brexit it doesn't really help your argument.
 
Sadly, It’s hard to think that the OP doesn’t have a point.

Prolonging the fight is prolonging the slaughter of innocents.

Putin is not going to stop till he has overrun Ukraine.

The West is rightly not going to intervene, in the air or on the ground.

It will continue to get uglier with cities laid siege and bombed indiscriminately till Putin’s goals are achieved.

The longer it goes on the more innocent people will die.

Putin has made it clear he wants all of Ukraine and will not negotiate on that.
 
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Subbuteo_171 said:
Good god indeed. I’ve not been through this, I’m trying to understand your assertion that Brexit voters were complicit in the invasion of Ukraine.

Would you mind answering the question, I’ve repeated it below for you again.

When did Putin decide Ukraine should be brought back under Russian control?
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I’ve explained it more than once now.

How is your question in any way connected to what you’re pretending to be upset about? I’ll repeat it again but this is the last time: Putin must have been emboldened to full scale invade Ukraine because he weakened Europe and isolated the U.K. it’s far from the only thing he has done to allow this but it is the only one we voted on! So you’re question is utterly pointless as it’s the end result not one of the initial moves. It makes no sense if you’re trying to refute my comment.
 
Steve8778 said:
Considering he started in 2014 pre brexit it doesn't really help your argument.
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Came up in my Facebook memories the other day. How his forces surrounded a military base in the Ukraine. (And coincidentally I'm sure, China were sailing warships close to Taiwan..
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
Firstly, I’m not upset in the slightest. Please don’t lie.

Secondly, your (note correct use of your) the word “must” is important. This is supposition, not fact. So we agree this is purely your opinion, as if it was fact then you‘d have stated “has”.

Third - you appear to be getting very angry, using deflection and refusing to engage. A number of micro-aggressions in your post indicate this. I also note you refer to a “full scaled“ invasion.

I’ll ask again;

When did Putin decide Ukraine should be brought back under Russian control?
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I get the feeling you will be waiting a while for an answer subbuteo.
 
Laughing said:
I was referring to the brexit vote. We might not like what we have in no 10 but it's still a democracy
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Not by any real definition of democracy. FPTP is far from democratic, especially when constituency boundaries are gerrymandered.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
I think the word complicit is wrong in terms of voters, but certainly at the heart of the Leave campaigns I think that would be exactly the right word.

The UK government has declared that there was Russian involvement in the 2014 Referendum campaign in Scotland and also in the most recent General Election. One of the key findings of the Russian Report was that the government had made no attempt to investigate direct Kremlin interference in Brexit. I think not investigating possible criminal activities of 'friends' is about as complicit as it gets.
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What about Ural properties the brexiteer source of vote leave funds?
 
NYboro said:
Not by any real definition of democracy. FPTP is far from democratic, especially when constituency boundaries are gerrymandered.
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Is a democracy. I would prefer pr but not having it doesn't mean its not a democracy NY.
 
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