Are Sunderland fans the most delusional fans in the country?

Priv said:
Personally think you are over egging ours abit there. Middlesbrough is not Teesside and Vice Versa. Yes Middlesbrough have some fans in the North Yorkshire villages etc but not big numbers and whey would we, what tie or affinity would people from a moors village have to Middlesbrough as a town, unless a parent was from there not a lot. The ones from Whitby etc are fans because a parent moved there, true locals from Whitby do not support Middlesbrough.
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Middlesbrough is part of Teesside teesside consists of 3 big towns with a population of around 500,000. There’s no major club until 40 minutes up the road Sunderland we don’t have much competition for support and are effectively a one club area. The Burnley comparison was just ridiculous, the facts don’t really lie we fall short catchment area wise to the other two granted but teesside is still the 18th biggest contribution in the country for one football club many above us have two. This small town catchment stuff is with all due respect ridiculous it’s not an opinion it’s a fact that we have a large catchment area with little competition for support. Not too the extent others that said
 
Borokian1876 said:
I think us and Burnley are complete opposite’s myself. Burnley are a small standalone town surrounded by giants. They massively massively overachieve Middlesbrough is a town part of a larger contribution Teesside and we don’t have a major club within 40 minutes of the riverside I think we outpunch the likes of forest and Leicester and derby and some other outfits, there 1 million county’s each but I think our catchment area is similiar to clubs like wolves and sheff utd. Wolverhampton bigger than Middlesbrough but the metro population of Wolverhampton far smaller than that of Teesside. When you consider it’s half a million people for one club I don’t think in terms of population percentages it’s notable. Clubs like us Norwich Ipswich Sunderland all benefit from lack of competition for support and we have a monopoly of people to pull from compared to those in Lancashire and probably most efl clubs our support impressed me due to the lack of historical success and major underachievement I think the population argument is a bit of a myth. There’s no football clubs within a 40 mile radius of the riverside
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Both Newcastle and Sunderland are within a 40 mile radius of Middlesbrough, not sure what you are trying to get at? As most other posters have pointed out our fan base is mainly derived from Teesside with a few pockets of fans in areas of South Durham and North Yorkshire. We also have a decent number of fans who have relocated to other parts of the country.
 
Kowalski said:
Both Newcastle and Sunderland are within a 40 mile radius of Middlesbrough, not sure what you are trying to get at? As most other posters have pointed out our fan base is mainly derived from Teesside with a few pockets of fans in areas of South Durham and North Yorkshire. We also have a decent number of fans who have relocated to other parts of the country.
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I’ve said we have a smaller catchment than them two. But too compare us to Blackburn and Burnley is where I disagree. The catchment area is tedious argument and I agree per population I would say we are just as well supported as Sunderland and Newcastle that said this small area stuff doesn’t really carry any weight. Because if you look at catchment areas for clubs and completion for support, we would be in the top 20 which reflects in our crowds.
 
Borokian1876 said:
Middlesbrough is part of Teesside teesside consists of 3 big towns with a population of around 500,000. There’s no major club until 40 minutes up the road Sunderland we don’t have much competition for support and are effectively a one club area. The Burnley comparison was just ridiculous, the facts don’t really lie we fall short catchment area wise to the other two granted but teesside is still the 18th biggest contribution in the country for one football club many above us have two. This small town catchment stuff is with all due respect ridiculous it’s not an opinion it’s a fact that we have a large catchment area with little competition for support. Not too the extent others that said
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You’re making up (or mixing and matching at least) your statistics a bit there.

If you want to use the ONS defined Teesside urban area, the one that is 18th on the list, then you should use the ONS population for that area, which is 376663. This does rank marginally ahead of the ONS Wearside urban area in 21st. But to get to 500000 you’re including much more, and Boro’s hinterland beyond Teesside is and always has been quite limited. It’s fair comment that Sunderland’s is historically greater.
 
BoroMart said:
County Durham has a population over over 500k. It is approx 70% sunderland fans. Places like Spennymoor, Seaham, Peterlee are sizeable towns with a predominantly sunderland fan base. Chester-le-street, Seaham, Peterlee, Spennymoor that's 90k fans right there, more than central middlesbrough. they also have better rail links to Sunderland than most of Teesside does to Middlesbrough.
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That bit on rail links isn’t true surely? Spennymoor and Peterlee don’t have rail links at all. CLS has one to Newcastle. Only Seaham has a link to Sunderland (and by all accounts it’s unusable on match days as the few trains on the DCL are usually full by Billog).
 
FishofContemplation said:
You’re making up (or mixing and matching at least) your statistics a bit there.

If you want to use the ONS defined Teesside urban area, the one that is 18th on the list, then you should use the ONS population for that area, which is 376663. This does rank marginally ahead of the ONS Wearside urban area in 21st. But to get to 500000 you’re including much more, and Boro’s hinterland beyond Teesside is and always has been quite limited. It’s fair comment that Sunderland’s is historically greater.
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2021 census day has 569,000 people in the immediate Teesside area. The 370,000 figure only includes the town boroughs. Doesn’t include Redcar and Cleveland 140,000 Stockton on tees 200,000 Middlesbrough 150,000. That’s 490,000. As said I don’t expect us to get Sunderland and Newcastle numbers. So I’m not making up any statistics
 
Borokian1876 said:
2021 census day has 569,000 people in the immediate Teesside area. The 370,000 figure only includes the town boroughs. Doesn’t include Redcar and Cleveland 140,000 Stockton on tees 200,000 Middlesbrough 150,000. That’s 490,000. As said I don’t expect us to get Sunderland and Newcastle numbers. So I’m not making up any statistics
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It's a little confusing because of the ways the stats are chopped and changed when you Google them.
But let's be generous and say we have approaching 500k (and please always exclude Hartlepool).
When making comparisons to other clubs we must always take into account their greater urban areas.
One thing is certain, the clubs up the road each enjoy at least double are catchment.
Oh and Leeds are massively under supported historically.
 
Borokian1876 said:
2021 census day has 569,000 people in the immediate Teesside area. The 370,000 figure only includes the town boroughs. Doesn’t include Redcar and Cleveland 140,000 Stockton on tees 200,000 Middlesbrough 150,000. That’s 490,000. As said I don’t expect us to get Sunderland and Newcastle numbers. So I’m not making up any statistics
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You are though because the Teesside urban area that you note is ranked 18th in the country is a specific thing. It has a specific ONS definition and a specific population. You can’t use that ranking and simultaneously make up a different number from your own definition of Teesside. You need to compare apples and apples.

And your definition is pretty untenable anyway. Not only does it include the entire populations of the three core boroughs, which I’d accept were very much Boro’s catchment area but include bits by no means part of the contiguous urban area, but it appears to include Hartlepool which no one should count.
 
NorthumberlandBoro said:
It's a little confusing because of the ways the stats are chopped and changed when you Google them.
But let's be generous and say we have approaching 500k (and please always exclude Hartlepool).
When making comparisons to other clubs we must always take into account their greater urban areas.
One thing is certain, the clubs up the road each enjoy at least double are catchment.
Oh and Leeds are massively under supported historically.
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I’m aware of that. I’m aware North Yorkshire doesn’t represent MFC like durham does them but the narrative amongst our fans we have a small pool of people to pull from us utterly ridiculous and every fact would back it up. Sheffield has 600,000 people for two clubs for example with clubs around them eating into the catchment area. The county of Cleveland has 740,000 people with our only competition being Hartlepool and Darlington 100k each. It’s not really a debate either. Teesside is the 18th biggest urban area for one club many clubs above us have two Newcastle for example is 280,000 which soil imply they have excellent for support for a medium sized city but the clubs urban population Tyneside makes it the 7th biggest place in the uk Middlesbrough is a medium sized town with 170,000 people but teesside itself is much larger for one club.
 
FishofContemplation said:
You are though because the Teesside urban area that you note is ranked 18th in the country is a specific thing. It has a specific ONS definition and a specific population. You can’t use that ranking and simultaneously make up a different number from your own definition of Teesside. You need to compare apples and apples.

And your definition is pretty untenable anyway. Not only does it include the entire populations of the three core boroughs, which I’d accept were very much Boro’s catchment area but include bits by no means part of the contiguous urban area, but it appears to include Hartlepool which no one should count.
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It doesn’t include Hartlepool at all. It’s not “ untenable” teesside county borough which includes Middlesbrough Stockton on tees and Redcar and Cleveland is around half a million people for one club, the town borough of Middlesbrough is relatively small with 170,000 people but the urban built up area as I’ve just said is the 18th largest for one club. We have the smallest pool out the three granted but we all benefit from being one club areas away from the common parts of the country. Same applies with Ipswich and Norwich. Us Sunderland and Newcastle. For some reasons boro fans build a wall around Middlesbrough and teesside where nobody can get in and out.
 
Borokian1876 said:
I’m aware of that. I’m aware North Yorkshire doesn’t represent MFC like durham does them but the narrative amongst our fans we have a small pool of people to pull from us utterly ridiculous and every fact would back it up. Sheffield has 600,000 people for two clubs for example with clubs around them eating into the catchment area. The county of Cleveland has 740,000 people with our only competition being Hartlepool and Darlington 100k each. It’s not really a debate either. Teesside is the 18th biggest urban area for one club many clubs above us have two Newcastle for example is 280,000 which soil imply they have excellent for support for a medium sized city but the clubs urban population Tyneside makes it the 7th biggest place in the uk Middlesbrough is a medium sized town with 170,000 people but teesside itself is much larger for one club.
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Cleveland had a population of 540k before it was abolished( and that included Hartlepool).
 
NorthumberlandBoro said:
Cleveland had a population of 540k before it was abolished( and that included Hartlepool).
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That figure doesn’t include Darlington but fair enough. Then our only completion would be pools for over half a million people. I am not bashing our support which for the lack of success ticket pricing is commendable I think our away support is brilliant and puts many clubs to shame. I’m just pointing out the population argument is a complete myth amongst our fans
 
Borokian1876 said:
That figure doesn’t include Darlington but fair enough. Then our only completion would be pools for over half a million people. I am not bashing our support which for the lack of success ticket pricing is commendable I think our away support is brilliant and puts many clubs to shame. I’m just pointing out the population argument is a complete myth amongst our fans
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If you think Pools is our only competition in Hartlepool I take it you’ve never visited the town on a Saturday when there’s a game up the road.
 
Borokian1876 said:
That figure doesn’t include Darlington but fair enough. Then our only completion would be pools for over half a million people. I am not bashing our support which for the lack of success ticket pricing is commendable I think our away support is brilliant and puts many clubs to shame. I’m just pointing out the population argument is a complete myth amongst our fans
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The only Boro fans in Darlo moved there. Most of the natives are either Newcastle fans or glory supporters.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
I've just watched this analysis of the game from a Sunderland fan with AI voice over. He praises us at times but soon reverts to type about it being a meaningless result and game. I wonder why he felt the need to do a YouTube video on then? 🤣 🤣 🤣

For some reason he decided not to show the last goal, I wonder if he was one of the fans who had to leave for the fire drill practice. 🤣🤣🤣

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I watched this the other day and my first thought was he must have gone home with the other 25000 before the 4th .
 
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