BaronSmoggie
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Ah, he means Cummings, gotcha.
Anyone for chlorinated chicken?
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SmallTown
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SPecial ADvisor. Such as: someone who believe in eugenics, and thinks his own lockdown rules don't apply to him.
boromike85
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Lefty, you use a lot of words but you don't make any points. US chicken is as safe as UK/EU chicken. The EU imports chicken from all over the world and some of those nations have lower welfare standards than the US but don't chlorine wash and so salmonella rates are possibly higher. The fact is that it sounds bad and it is a consequence of Brexit so is automatically bad but the outcome is the same. The EU regulations are mostly protectionist and deliver no benefit to the consumer. If chlorine was an expensive process that did nothing than the Americans would have cut it out of the process to save costs. Also, if chlorine wash was a process that was bad for us then the EU would have stopped us using it to wash fruit and veg but as it is perfectly safe and doesn't affect the flavour in any way it is approved.
So what's the problem, other than it is a consequence of Brexit? You could argue that our farmers can't compete on price with the US produced chicken but I seriously doubt that they can produce and export chickens and get them on our shelves for less than the £3 it costs for a whole chicken now anyway but even if they can that means cheaper meat = better for the consumer. Animal welfare concerns are valid but that doesn't seem to be an issue for you.
BoroMart
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chlorinated chicken? Watching Trump sending soldiers to beat and shoot rubber bullets at peaceful protesters so that he can have his photo taken in front of a church, if that doesn't frighten people in this country about having a mutually beneficial relationship with America, then people need to wake the hell up before it's too late. The guy is a lunatic, and he will bully and beat down to the nth degree for his own gain. Cummings and his links with Russia, Trump and his Russian links, western democracy is taking an absolute battering right now. It's crumbling.
I'll go vegetarian rather than eat that muck by the way.
I'll go vegetarian rather than eat that muck by the way.
Way_Out_West
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The EU imports chickens from all over the world once the production procedures of that country have been assessed to meet EU health and welfare standards. Salmonella rates will not be higher. These EU regulations are for the benefit of the consumer, and the welfare of the animals.
US do this procedure so they can save money not doing the job properly, with lower health and welfare standards.
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hopesoboro
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You seem very concerned that we should be importing US chicken Mike.
Duffman
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The pay off for freedom to negotiate our own import and export arrangements is that to sell to other countries you have to also buy from them. Some of these countries won’t have standards at a level we are used to and previously through European laws legislated for. I can’t believe anybody was naive enough to think leaving the EU wouldn’t have exposed us to a huge lowering of standards in the quality of imports. It was laid pretty bare during the debates on Brexit.
SmallTown
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Apart form the last comment. It's hard to disagree with this. We are a little behind the US on the divided, destroyed nation but with the current government in charge we are on the same path.
SmallTown
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You could use the phrase "i can't believe anybody was naive enough..." about so many pro brexit lies it's ridiculous.
boromike85
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Europe imports close to 900,000 tonnes of poultry meat every year from third countries. That compares with the import of beef, about 300,000 tonnes, and pork at around 20,000 tonnes. Ms Steenberg added: “With additional imported quantities, we will import the equivalent of German or French chicken meat production. So why is the EU so ready to chuck out our chicken? “Over the past 20 years the EU poultry meat sector has made huge efforts to implement stronger policies on animal welfare, food safety and environment. “With the Mercosur deal the EU Commission is basically saying our efforts were useless. We are fine with importing poultry meat with lower standards from third countries.
https://www.poultryworld.net/Health...rmers-fear-new-poultry-market-access-457251E/
Brazil sent one million salmonella infected chickens to the UK in two years
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...l-one-million-salmonella-infected-chickens-uk
Not at all. I just recognise it for what it is; an anti-Brexit scare story.
In my job its a very bad thing.
BaronSmoggie
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It really isn't, its a real concern to a lot of people. You can eat meat and still care about the animals welfare.
Chlorine washing is done because the welfare standards are lower and the animals are housed in appalling conditions.
Duffman
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A dyslexic potato
Laughing
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I think there is a bigger issue here than processed foodstuffs. Boris Johnson essentially lied to the electorate before the election. He promised that when we leave the EU we will maintain or improve food standards and workers rights. He then told the ERG that he was lying to the electorate and after the election they would re-write several bills. How do I know this? Because this was the reason May couldn't get any brexit deal through parliament, because too many in her party wanted a hard brexit. Johnson played both sides.
In an election the manifesto is a covenant between the electorate and the parties. It is not legally binding. The Brexit bill was legally binding, and this gauranteed some worker rights and food standards. Johnson, straight after the election, re-wrote the Brexit bill and the argricultural bill removing those gaurantees.
Now the issue with this is that the EU cannot agree a deal with the UK on the current Brexit bill or agricultural bill. They cannot, not because they are stubborn, but because there are bigger trading blocks that trade with the EU that had to agree to EU standards, if they allow the UK to deal with the EU with reduced standards, America will then demand the same deal. This would very likely lead to the breakup of the EU. Ask yourself who benefits most from the collapse of the EU? Russia, anyone?
The EU cannot do this. That gives the hard brexiters in the tory party exactly what they want. The rhetoric has already started in the right wing press, blaming the EU of "playing hardball". They are not, anything but. They are bending over backwards to accomodate the UK as far as they can. They absoloutely do not want to loose the UK as a trading partner.
Tshsi was Johnson's plan all along. He lied to the electorate, he treated them like idiots to get what he wanted, to get what his cronies wanted. The electorate were just a hurdle to get around.
Oh I did vote to the leave the EU, but not at the expense of the union nor of a no deal brexit where medicines become an issue, not for me, but for many other people.
So no I would not eat chlorinated chicken, but this is a much bigger issue than poisoned poultry! Look at that, an illiteration to end.
In an election the manifesto is a covenant between the electorate and the parties. It is not legally binding. The Brexit bill was legally binding, and this gauranteed some worker rights and food standards. Johnson, straight after the election, re-wrote the Brexit bill and the argricultural bill removing those gaurantees.
Now the issue with this is that the EU cannot agree a deal with the UK on the current Brexit bill or agricultural bill. They cannot, not because they are stubborn, but because there are bigger trading blocks that trade with the EU that had to agree to EU standards, if they allow the UK to deal with the EU with reduced standards, America will then demand the same deal. This would very likely lead to the breakup of the EU. Ask yourself who benefits most from the collapse of the EU? Russia, anyone?
The EU cannot do this. That gives the hard brexiters in the tory party exactly what they want. The rhetoric has already started in the right wing press, blaming the EU of "playing hardball". They are not, anything but. They are bending over backwards to accomodate the UK as far as they can. They absoloutely do not want to loose the UK as a trading partner.
Tshsi was Johnson's plan all along. He lied to the electorate, he treated them like idiots to get what he wanted, to get what his cronies wanted. The electorate were just a hurdle to get around.
Oh I did vote to the leave the EU, but not at the expense of the union nor of a no deal brexit where medicines become an issue, not for me, but for many other people.
So no I would not eat chlorinated chicken, but this is a much bigger issue than poisoned poultry! Look at that, an illiteration to end.
1finny
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I suppose if you want you can turn it into a Brexit story.
The discussion seems to be there are lots of chickens around the world bred in appalling conditions. Because of that - what is the difference with chlorine wash?
The answer is absolutely nothing if you don’t give a stuff about animal welfare.
And, lets face it the vast majority of you don’t.
It will be on the shelf and it will be cheap (excuse the pun).
Which supermarkets will stock it? Those that need to appeal to low affluent customers.
One supermarket chain won’t touch it - The Co-op. They are the only one to commit to British meat and poultry in all their own label products including sandwiches, quiches and pies.
The discussion seems to be there are lots of chickens around the world bred in appalling conditions. Because of that - what is the difference with chlorine wash?
The answer is absolutely nothing if you don’t give a stuff about animal welfare.
And, lets face it the vast majority of you don’t.
It will be on the shelf and it will be cheap (excuse the pun).
Which supermarkets will stock it? Those that need to appeal to low affluent customers.
One supermarket chain won’t touch it - The Co-op. They are the only one to commit to British meat and poultry in all their own label products including sandwiches, quiches and pies.
hopesoboro
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I think Mike knows that.
boromike85
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This is touching on the point I'm trying to make. That "around the world" includes the UK and the EU. If all of these people that are decrying chlorinated chicken are already only buying free range chickens because they object to caged hens then they have a basis for an argument but I am confident that the majority of them just buy any chicken breast or eat at any establishment that uses non-free range chicken meat and eggs.
I.e. this issue is only an issue to them because it is Brexit related. Laughing's point on how it affects trade deals is a valid point on differing standards but it isn't the argument people are making. That is a standards argument, not specifically a chlorinated chicken argument. They are using chlorinated chicken as a scare story being bad for consumers but nutritionally it will be the same, there is no evidence that it increases the rates of food poisoning and it might even be cheaper.