SmallTown
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That’s a good point. Also because this goes directly against a Tory election manifesto Tory voters have more rights to be aggrieved than none: the thing they voted for has been ignored (again)
Another step on the road to little insular England
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Andy_W
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Over a decade of austerity, underfund the NHS, increase NHS waiting lists, don't send aid at a time it's needed most, don't feed our kids, don't back the (recently most successful) national teams anti-racism stance, but happy to blow up the economy (and potentially the UK) with the most ludicrous trade decision ever and then go and buy a £300m boat that nobody wants.
It's reading like a mid-life crisis, it's embarrassing.
I'd laugh, but it's actually real, not some kind of crazy story, and it seems to somehow be getting worse, not better. I just wonder what is coming next.
It's reading like a mid-life crisis, it's embarrassing.
I'd laugh, but it's actually real, not some kind of crazy story, and it seems to somehow be getting worse, not better. I just wonder what is coming next.
Erimus74
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A well educated response there
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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But do the majority of them care?
SmallTown
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They should do, yes
BillyBoyStu
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12,710,845 voted conservatives in the last election, 9,125,203 voted labour.
Who knows if the majority cares? But to call them all "insular self centred b***ds" is just abuse.
Same as calling all England football fans "Scum" on another thread - Just abuse.
This forum should be above that.
Loads of calls on this Forum calling for abuse to stop but then think its OK if its against people they don't agree with.
Who knows if the majority cares? But to call them all "insular self centred b***ds" is just abuse.
Same as calling all England football fans "Scum" on another thread - Just abuse.
This forum should be above that.
Loads of calls on this Forum calling for abuse to stop but then think its OK if its against people they don't agree with.
jam69
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I haven't called anyone, but like many others are baffled that the more abhorrent the tories get the more popular they seem to be.
They seem to be excused anything in the name of brexit.
Those who handed these charlatans the power need to accept responsibility for putting them there despite all the warning signs
SmallTown
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I think the difference is a lot of people feel angry about the way the tories act. We all made a conscious decision to vote for them in the same way that some made a conscious decision to vote for brexit. It's not just abuse for abuse's sake, it's a reaction to people make an actual decision. To carrying out an actual action. Abuse is never nice but you can see a justification in this case.
BillyBoyStu
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No abuse is acceptable.
Thought that would be quite clear this week?
SmallTown
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Yes, I agree. I'm just pointing out the difference between abusing someone for making a decision. A decision many on this board see as abhorrent. Compared to abusing someone for being born with a certain skin tone.
BillyBoyStu
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Dont agree with that.
If you voted for a party and then had to be responsible for every decision that party made then either nobody would vote or there would have to be thousands of political parties to suit everyone's individual manifesto.
It didnt take a lot of political thought to realise that this is exactly was going to happen following the various votes we have endured over the last few years. Unfortunately, a lot of people chose not to think too hard about the consequences of following, or being suckered by, populist rhetoric and jingoism
SmallTown
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Especially when, in this case, the decision goes explicitly against their manifesto
Andy_W
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False equivalence.
At least the "self centred" bit had some grounding on fact, whereas what you're trying to compare it to (racial abuse) is far worse, and is not based on anything of any sort of reason.
The funny thing is it's likely the far right doing the racial abusing (the worst abuse you compare to), and we all know where the far-right have been voting recently.
The 'blood on your hands' bit is fair comment. 'Self-centred b***ds' is clearly abuse as it tars all Tory voters with the same brush. At least some of them may have voted Tory on a lesser-of-2-evils basis.
BillyBoyStu
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No, just think all abuse is wrong.
Constructed debate - right.
Erimus74
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Agree entirely, have your say by all means, how can we stop / have our say on the wider issue of been abusive online if we can't control it on here
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Andy_W
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All abuse is wrong, but there are differing degrees of wrong, just like there are differing degrees of crimes etc.
Just like how calling someone racist names is a crime (something which the far-right like), but calling a set of voters self-centred for voting for a self-centred party isn't, especially when it is not targeted at an individual.
Constructed debate is definitely better, but if you're fighting/ debating the guy on the left (who is clearly annoyed), then who are you fighting/ debating for? It's fine if you want people to be nice to each other, most on the left would like that too. But the side this guy is arguing against are clearly (as a party) not doing that, to a much worse degree. Two wrongs don't make a right, but one can be closer to being right.
Also, cutting foreign aid, is extremely self-centred and will lead to deaths of the most worse off, whilst the most well off supp Pimms on a "new" £300m yacht. What we're getting is what(who) the Tories voted for, it should not be a surprise.
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