Another Starmer U turn

"Questions will naturally arise as to why it’s taken Sir Keir so long to change his mind, what his long months of prevarication achieved, and whether he will reinstate the MPs he sacked in November for supporting the same position he finally holds too."
 
From what I've been reading, this isn't the U turn that we were waiting for. It seems that the Labour amendment hands Israel veto. Hope that proves to be wrong.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
From what I've been reading, this isn't the U turn that we were waiting for. It seems that the Labour amendment hands Israel veto. Hope that proves to be wrong.
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Israel will do what they want regardless - they don’t need a veto. This vote is pretty much pointless with regards to the actual ‘war’. What it does do is just to show how the House is feeling and to apply pressure on the Government to change tact.

Starmer or Labour or the SNP don’t make Government policy and can’t make Israel change tact. The American’s are struggling to do so, not sure what Starmer can do.
 
Starmer has walked right into the trap that was being set. Got wind of the SNP motion so tried to change tact to stop his MPs voting in favour of it, likely the tory amendment will be selected and left stuck between a rock and a hard place.
 
Unfortunately, nothing that happens in our parliament will have any effect on Israel policy with Palestine. It's ungratifying to see politicians "playing" at politics and using a humanitarian tragedy for their own ends.

The international court of justice will take months, at best, to come to a conclusion. Too many countries and organizations involved who will want to be heard.
 
Poor form by SNP this. 6th form politics that won’t impact anything of note.

Starmer is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t (particularly on this board it seems). I’m guessing that’s what the SNP wanted though rather than actually giving a monkeys about Israel or Palestine.
 
It's high time my party's leader signified our support for a ceasefire (which I didn't think a few weeks back) as Israel's actions clearly meet the criteria of 'collective punishment'. However, the story on this board is not ersatz concern with regard to Palestinians: war crimes and human right abuses are occurring in Ukraine, Myanmar, China, Sudan, Congo, Eritrea to name but a few. The story on this board is the tiresome alacrity with which certain posters start a pile-on against Starmer on any topic, because what really engages them is not faraway suffering but Starmer's seizing control of the party from Corbyn.
Desperate to avoid reawakening associations of anti-semitism, Starmer has tacked too far the other direction, but let's also be clear that among those protesting Gaza are thousands of genuine anti-Semites. People brought up to hate not just Israel, but Jews.
In its (partly understandable) desperation to oppose US/Israeli imperialism/subjugation many on the Left ended up keeping the company of many such people. Starmer's crablike postures are the unfortunate outcome of their ingenuousness.
 
Alzi said:
Poor form by SNP this. 6th form politics that won’t impact anything of note.

Starmer is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t (particularly on this board it seems). I’m guessing that’s what the SNP wanted though rather than actually giving a monkeys about Israel or Palestine.
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Great post. Sums it up far more succinctly than I did!
 
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