And about time. Blue cards.

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viv_andersons_nana said:
Referees need to be empowered to dole out more yellow and red cards for dissent. That’s how you’ll stop it. You don’t need a blue card. You book them and send them off. It’ll soon end.
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Exactly. It's like their scared at the minute or don't want to impact a game by giving out yellow cards because they'll get battered by pundits and managers for ruining the game because that player then couldn't make any tackles, but if that player wasn't a mouthy little get he wouldn't have received the first yellow card. Just dish them out like confetti, flash that yellow at everyone. Be nice to know the refs in the meeting with the managers/captains before the game just said "Right, i won't take any ****, tell ya players to wind their necks in, when i blow i wont change my mind. VAR may reverse a decision but any cards given for their reactions wont be rescinded, so just calm down otherwise you'll all be booked in the first 10mins and its not my fault, its yours"
 
The referees are rubbish and they've brought it on themselves. They have the laws already but they don't enforce them. They could completely eradicate diving and dissent by punishing it but they just let them get away with it repeatedly. There is no incentive not to dive and cheat because it goes unpunished. Timewasting is the most obvious one. I don't think I've ever seen a red card for timewasting. Players, usually a GK, will get one for their 5th offence and then that's it. They are free to waste time for the rest of the game. In the World Cup they just added it all on and the early rounds went on a long time but by the final rounds players behaviours had changed and there wasn't as much. GKs are allowed to keep a ball in hand for 5 seconds but they'll catch it, lie on it for 5 seconds, get up and amble around and then finally release it up to 20 seconds later. Why has that rule just been allowed to be essentially eradicated?

When a referee does give out cards (like the one in the Sunderland away game) they get criticised for the inconsistency. The answer isn't to be consistently weak in applying the laws but to be consistently strong. There is a difference between punishing every challenge and not letting a game flow which you can argue can be good refereeing but players bad behaviour should be treated as harshly as possible until they learn to change their behaviour.

I was playing footy with my nephews in the park a few weeks ago and the amount of times they went down "injured" was ridiculous. When we were kids there was never any injuries and kids pretending they were hurt would have been laughed at. It's obviously so ingrained in the game now that they think it is a normal part of it when it just shouldn't be.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Referees need to be empowered to dole out more yellow and red cards for dissent. That’s how you’ll stop it. You don’t need a blue card. You book them and send them off. It’ll soon end.
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Those of us old enough to remember the game against Man Utd where Keane, Neville and one other were a yard away from the ref screaming in his face.
One of the worst examples of dissent I have ever seen. If it was done in the street it would have been an arrestable offence.

He should have sent all 3 off and it would have set the standard for years to come.
 
For me, there are professional/cynical fouls every game to stop counter attacks that aren't given as yellows, for reasons I can't understand.

The rules and the cards aren't the problem, the interpretation and implementation by the middle aged fella jogging up and down in the middle is.

Referees don't seem to be good enough, many players are cheating shīthousės, linesmen/assistant referees seem to do next to nothing to help the referee either.

Firstly I'd like younger, fitter referees. Who are more part of the match day. Interviewed or statement pre-game, interviewed and decisions gone over post game.

I'd like to see a player of code of conduct brought in, for the top leagues, with a video training package at the start of the season with clear examples from previous seasons that the players agree to adhere to. Defenders being touched in the back and going down, dissent, preventing teams taking free kicks, all the little niggling dark arts being used every week, faux injuries etc. to be either ignored in play, or dealt with by booking players.

Then for the first couple of months each game will be refereed to this new standard, even if there are a few red cards in the first half of a lot of games, then the big change. The game is watched and reviewed afterwards and anything missed or deemed unacceptable is reviewed and further punishments issued within 48 hours of the game. If the referee is found to have missed too much he is suspended for a couple of games before being allowed to referee again and improve his standards/performance.

The players and referees seems to live in a land of next to no consequences for cheating, bad behaviour and in the referees case bad performances.

Hopefully after a month or two the standards will improve.

I'd also add a big part of the game management, dissent, breaking up play, injury faking etc is very much 'time' based.

I think it is 'time' the timekeeping was totally removed from the refs. The match can be two 30 minutes halves or whatever the current average is for however long the ball is in play, controlled from the side lines. Currently, any stops in play, subs, goalkeepers hanging on to the ball too long, faking injury, rolling back on to the pitch for treatment etc. is done to eat up match time to the detriment of your opposition. If the match clock isn't running you would hope this would stamp this out. Oh and 'injured' players can be treated in game as the game goes on, but they remain active for offside. The players bench can then decide if it is serious enough to sub in him. Any medical/injuries that come about at a stop in play already (like a corner or set piece etc.) the clock would be stopped anyway, if the medical staff deem the players injury serious in play, they can buzz the ref and stop the game, but that player must then be subbed off.

Some of this waffle if it was ever implemneted will probably lead to other play acting, or dark arts type stuff as the blood subs did in rugby. But I feel there needs to be a big change in players behaviour and game time management. It's getting to the point where changes need to be made more around this, than who has their ribcage/knee 5mm ahead of the defender on a counter attack and all the other VAR nonsense that seems to be making the game worse as a spectacle.
 
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Yes andy d’urso ironically they came out with new powers after this and we were one of the first to be sanctioned by it in a later game
 
Caesium137 said:
For me, there are professional/cynical fouls every game to stop counter attacks that aren't given as yellows, for reasons I can't understand.
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They recently changed the rules which I thought was stupid. If you foul a player on the break but it doesn't stop the break because there is an advantage then the player that committed the foul can't be booked when the ball goes dead (unless it was for a yellow card offence tackle).

I think they changed it because a season or two back an Arsenal player (I want to say Martinelli) was sent off for two bookings. One for a cynical foul that was allowed to continue with an advantage and then another foul which deserved a booking.
 
Nano said:
I was playing footy with my nephews in the park a few weeks ago and the amount of times they went down "injured" was ridiculous.
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You must be playing pretty serious games of footy with your nephews if it involves fake injuries.
Not sure it would make sense during my games of 3-heads-and-you're-in with Danny and Scott.
 
Football is a game of 11 v 11.

Or possibly 9 v 10
or 9 v 9
but then 10 v 11
then 10 v 9
but only for ten minutes or twenty, possibly thirty.

I can hardly wait for this flustercluck to add to the joy that has already been brought to the game by VAR!
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Referees need to be empowered to dole out more yellow and red cards for dissent. That’s how you’ll stop it. You don’t need a blue card. You book them and send them off. It’ll soon end.
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But then look at the criticisim that the ref from the Boro Sunlun game got for sending off their player. Was the right decision but then he got accused of making the game all about him. They can't win
 
If we have sin bins can we have "Goons" like in American Ice Hockey or scraps in the middle of the pitch like the good old days of Rugby. That would be entertaining 😁
 
anth25 said:
But then look at the criticisim that the ref from the Boro Sunlun game got for sending off their player. Was the right decision but then he got accused of making the game all about him. They can't win
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Criticism should not stop them from continuing to make the correct decisions. It should be completely irrelevant to them. As long as the governing body support them and not pander to the "experts" by taking games off them etc... it would become the norm.
 
Rofesleg said:
You must be playing pretty serious games of footy with your nephews if it involves fake injuries.
Not sure it would make sense during my games of 3-heads-and-you're-in with Danny and Scott.
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None of it was anything to do with me. Was just 1v1v1 with a keeper. Every time they tackled each other or they lost the ball from each other there was a cry of foul play. I was just an innocent bystander.

They are good players as well. They play for an academy.
 
Druss_The_Legend said:
If we have sin bins can we have "Goons" like in American Ice Hockey or scraps in the middle of the pitch like the good old days of Rugby. That would be entertaining 😁
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I think that’s exactly what will happen, that’s why I mentioned hockey as they adapted to fit this into their game with enforcers and penalty killers.

It will def be exploited no doubt about that
 
Jedi boro said:
Which was my point stronger refs
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An FA to stand up and support refs against unnecessary criticism. Started by the media a long time ago and picked up by idiot fans. Read this board when we don't win.

I was at a FSA meeting in the early 90's, Bob Wilson was head of football coverage for the BBC, we were shown a copy of a memo circulated to commentators to criticise referees as much as possible.

The FA should have kicked up a storm and called for him to be sacked. Nothing was done. The FSA did nothing about it either.
 
Jedi boro said:
I think that’s exactly what will happen, that’s why I mentioned hockey as they adapted to fit this into their game with enforcers and penalty killers.

It will def be exploited no doubt about that
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I want special teams, like in American hand-egg.

If a side gets a corner then six of their players go off and are replaced by players who are all at least six feet six tall. And they are mounted on pogo sticks.
 
ThePrisoner said:
I want special teams, like in American hand-egg.

If a side gets a corner then six of their players go off and are replaced by players who are all at least six feet six tall. And they are mounted on pogo sticks.
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Stilts might be better. At least they offer a consistent height as a target.
Imagine trying to time the peak of a pogo jump to meet the trajectory of the ball.
You would need Pyhthagarus as a corner kick specialist coach.
 
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