A Speeding question (of sorts)

[Ingleby_Flash]

This is interesting. The only time I've ever been caught speeding was in Thornaby and I was doing 34 in a 30 which must have been right on the limit. Not sure what my speedo was saying at the time but given it was a battered old fiesta probably 21-38 MPH

Yes, I’m not sure it applies in 30 zones, I got done in Billingham for 34, the copper was chatting to me at the side of a motorway, so that was the context.
I’m also one for cruise control at 55 and have never had a problem, and I used to do 30,000 plus miles per year.

 

[tripleheader]

This is interesting. The only time I've ever been caught speeding was in Thornaby and I was doing 34 in a 30 which must have been right on the limit. Not sure what my speedo was saying at the time but given it was a battered old fiesta probably 21-38 MPH

I was done for a similar speed heading out of Yarm toward Kirklevington on an empty road . Also done for an average speed above the limit on A66. Sunday morning between the retail park Stockton and Thornaby slip road at 06.30hrs coming off a night shift I was f'ing furious. I said to the two trafffic cops what happened to driving to the road conditions nobody on the roads etc I got a speed awareness course for that one. No give and take now, simply revenue collectors.
We've all got stories about mad barstewards cutting up people, driving and speeding excessively, not indicating and generally bad driving.....where are the cops then? I learnt my lesson and now at 63 have had a clean licience for 10 years, but have been lucky.

 

[hewielewie]

Sadly not true these days.

As told to me by a traffic cop, most forces allow 10% plus three, so for a fifty zone read 58 and you’ll not get nicked. Also for the first few mph over that you’ll be offered a speed awareness course rather than points. His actual words were along the lines of ‘Your Speedo over-reads by a few mph, we allow 10% plus three, so if you’ve got 82 or less on your Speedo we won’t be looking at you.’

But don’t quote me in court.

I think different areas use different guidance. But that's all it is is guidance.

 

[SmallTown]

I was done for a similar speed heading out of Yarm toward Kirklevington on an empty road . Also done for an average speed above the limit on A66. Sunday morning between the retail park Stockton and Thornaby slip road at 06.30hrs coming off a night shift I was f'ing furious. I said to the two trafffic cops what happened to driving to the road conditions nobody on the roads etc I got a speed awareness course for that one. No give and take now, simply revenue collectors.
We've all got stories about mad barstewards cutting up people, driving and speeding excessively, not indicating and generally bad driving.....where are the cops then? I learnt my lesson and now at 63 have had a clean licience for 10 years, but have been lucky.

I agree, there should be a sensible assessment done on the speeding and conditions. Years ago I went to watch us play Portsmouth. ON the journey back I was going fairly fast on an entirely empty motorway. Eventually I saw a light behind me and it started sort of tracking me. Eventually I realised it was a cop on a bike. he pulled up alongside and made a "slow down" signal. then left the motorway. I did and I'm grateful for a common sense approach

 

[FartingGnome]

Was told on a speed awareness course by the traffic cops that ran it there's a 10% + 2mph allowance before you're triggered and they said you can take that to the bank (but nothing about court ) Someone on the course said they'd been done for 1mph over. "You shouldn't have been" was the answer. Some consolation I guess. This was about 10 years ago.

 

[ForssAwakens]

Two reasons really. One being all modern cars over report their speed so 55 won't actually be 55. Second being, and I know it's a myth but it's one that often gets adhered too. If you're doing 10% above the speed limit you probably won't be prosecuted. Setting it too that means I can get home earlier. My car has the most boring interior ever so I have no desire to sit in it for longer than necessary

Speeds limits are there for a reason.

how can you take the stance on masks, when you don’t take the same stance on speed limits?

 

[SmallTown]

Speeds limits are there for a reason.

how can you take the stance on masks, when you don’t take the same stance on speed limits?

Because they are 2 entirely different situations.

It's like me asking: how can take a stance on Holidays in Spain, and not take the same stance on having fish and chips.

 

[ForssAwakens]

Because they are 2 entirely different situations.

It's like me asking: how can take a stance on Holidays in Spain, and not take the same stance on having fish and chips.

By going 55mph in a 50 zone you are putting people at a higher risk

same as you don’t wear a mask your put people at a higher risk

You wouldn’t be prosecuted for either.

 

[SmallTown]

By going 55mph in a 50 zone you are putting people at a higher risk

same as you don’t wear a mask your put people at a higher risk

You wouldn’t be prosecuted for either.

You're not spreading a deadly virus and, with a modern car you're actually not putting anyone at further risk.

 

[ForssAwakens]

You're not spreading a deadly virus and, with a modern car you're actually not putting anyone at further risk.

You have less time to react at 55 than 50 if a worker emerged through there, and therefore more likely to kill

the don’t make the speed limit 50mph for the crack

 

[The_Big_Woodowski]

I often wonder if anybody gets ticketed in these average speed things.

Before covid when through one on a weekly basis for years. I stuck to 50ish, but the number of cars that use to fly past me must been doing 70+.

I also got done for doing 33 in a 30, ended up on speed awareness course. They guy basically said ohh must been a slow day on that stretch to get done at that speed.. made me wonder do they aim to hit a set revenue target and drop down to what illegal speed they need to achieve it if quotas are not met

 

[Laughing]

I don't know the answer to the question but I have had 2 fixed penalties for speeding. One doing 33 in a 30 and one doing 42 in a 40. I went to court for the second one because the camera was hidden and it was straight after a drop from 60.

The JP was interested in one thing only, was I speeding. Which I was.

My fine was reduced to £20 but I paid £40 court costs, coincidental?

Both tickets were in Devon so that may be relevant, but you don't get leeway on speeding in law. Individual forces may well give some sensible leeway, but it is not required.

 

[SmallTown]

You have less time to react at 55 than 50 if a worker emerged through there, and therefore more likely to kill

the don’t make the speed limit 50mph for the crack

You're comparing the extremely unlikely event of a trained motorway worker stepping into the live lane of a motorway to the slightly more likely event of me being within 1m of another person. Lets not be silly

 

[Laughing]

You're comparing the extremely unlikely event of a trained motorway worker stepping into the live lane of a motorway to the slightly more likely event of me being within 1m of another person. Lets not be silly

I think he is comparing one selfish action with another ST.

 

[SmallTown]

I think he is comparing one selfish action with another ST.

AH, he's going for the attack the man not the ball approach? I see.

As per my explanation, which you have also ignored, the two aren't even comparable.

 

[Andy_W]

I've installed some infrastructure for the average speed SPECS and from what I remember, I think the cameras are paired, so if there were camera's A,B,C,D,E,F then you could get checked A>B, C>D, and E>F but not to B>C, D>E, but don't quote me on that.

I also appreciate this is zero help mind as you will have no idea which cameras are paired together.

You can put cruise on around 53-54mph, that way you deffo won't go over and you will be able to overtake those that try and manually hover at 50 on this inside lane without cruise (but just end up varying speed up and down). 55 or higher may be risky in some places which don't allow 10%.

I've found that putting cruise on at 50 will just end up in you having to cancel it, as you gradually catch up others in inside lane but don't have enough to be fast enough for outside lanes to outdo most overtakers, and you feel like you're just holding people up.

I prefer the limiter though, rather than cruise, just stick the limit on 54 and then forget about it.

 

[Laughing]

AH, he's going for the attack the man not the ball approach? I see.

As per my explanation, which you have also ignored, the two aren't even comparable.

Not attacking the man at all, I am questioning the wisdom of deliberately breaking the speed limit to get home quicker and in doing so increasing everyone around you levels of risk. Hardly attacking the man, when your actions are illegal in law ST.

I think what you really mean to say here, is you are capable of deciding the level of risk you take on, and those around you. It doesn't matter what the law says, because you, apparently know better.

Fair play

 

[ForssAwakens]

You're comparing the extremely unlikely event of a trained motorway worker stepping into the live lane of a motorway to the slightly more likely event of me being within 1m of another person. Lets not be silly

Okay, so you can be morally superior on masks, but you can let your morals slide for speed limits.

 

[Laughing]

I've installed some infrastructure for the average speed SPECS and from what I remember, I think the cameras are paired, so if there were camera's A,B,C,D,E,F then you could get checked A>B, C>D, and E>F but not to B>C, D>E, but don't quote me on that.

I also appreciate this is zero help mind as you will have no idea which cameras are paired together.

You can put cruise on around 53-54mph, that way you deffo won't go over and you will be able to overtake those that try and manually hover at 50 on this inside lane without cruise (but just end up varying speed up and down). 55 or higher may be risky in some places which don't allow 10%.

I've found that putting cruise on at 50 will just end up in you having to cancel it, as you gradually catch up others in inside lane but don't have enough to be fast enough for outside lanes to outdo most overtakers, and you feel like you're just holding people up.

I prefer the limiter though, rather than cruise, just stick the limit on 54 and then forget about it.

I think you are right here Andy, possibly because of the way the law works, speeding through a>b then c>d is a single speeding offence. As you say, doesn't really help.

 

[Chris_Boro]

Two reasons really. One being all modern cars over report their speed so 55 won't actually be 55. Second being, and I know it's a myth but it's one that often gets adhered too. If you're doing 10% above the speed limit you probably won't be prosecuted. Setting it too that means I can get home earlier. My car has the most boring interior ever so I have no desire to sit in it for longer than necessary

Overreporting of speedometers is not a absolute percentage and will very depending on manufacturer based on their tests on how tyre wear increases inaccurate speed measurements to ensure that they don't underreport speed which is a law.

Basically you are making an assumption at your own speed, something you cannot know.

What you do know is if your car is saying 50, you will not be going over but that definitely does not mean you are going at 45 either.