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Aztec chimera

Aztec chimera

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How many none faith or atheist schools are funded by the state? I would suspect that the none faith is quite small and the atheist schools are close to zero.
Yet our government is supposed to be secular?
 
. Correct me if im wrong. In common law, and I may be wrong that our natural constitution is leant towards none interference from church just as it is by the monarchy. Regardless, if it isn't it should be. But regardless, why do these ancient faiths receive far more government grants than the current status quo with faith warrants?
 
RC schools have been financed for years by the Government - they can be more expensive because of the busing too, unless the families pay for transport.
 
Redwurzel said:
RC schools have been financed for years by the Government - they can be more expensive because of the busing too, unless the families pay for transport.
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But why? I went to an RC school. Why should any religious school receive grants over a none religious school that just treats education as its highest priority?
 
Johnny Vincents Motorbike said:
in the first instance around Law, you are incorrect - it is based on Christian laws & belief.

as for part 2 (ancient faiths) i have no idea what the question is
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Originally maybe, but if anybody in the modern day needs religion to judge their own morality then in my honest opinion they are lacking in their own moral fibre
 
fmttmadmin said:
It is the French state that is secular.
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The head of state i.e the king is non secular but the government and houses of Parliament in the main defer from getting involved in religious matters. Unlike the USA. In general the UK is a secular society. So why do we still not have secular schools?
 
Aztec chimera said:
The head of state i.e the king is non secular but the government and houses of Parliament in the main defer from getting involved in religious matters. Unlike the USA. In general the UK is a secular society. So why do we still not have secular schools?
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The king is the defender of the faith in England and Wales, and upholder of the Church of Scotland.

The Anglican church and the Presbyterian churches are woven into the framework of the state.
 
Aztec chimera said:
Originally maybe, but if anybody in the modern day needs religion to judge their own morality then in my honest opinion they are lacking in their own moral fibre
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They probably don’t care about your opinion though and would probably think you are the one that has got it wrong.
 
1finny said:
They probably don’t care about your opinion though and would probably think you are the one that has got it wrong.
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Being agnostic, I have no dog in the fight but purely in my experience the opposite is true. The people I personally know with a faith are tolerant and respectful of others beliefs or lack of. The people that I know who are determinedly atheistic all seem very dogmatic, dismissive and arrogant in their attitude towards people with a faith. I hear them call people stupid, weak and make sarastic comments about "sky fairies". Thats completely anecdotal mind.
 
I think you’re missing the point in practice, whatever the history. The state isn’t providing support for faith schools, the faith organisations are providing support for maintained schools. If we want them out (and I wouldn’t be averse to the idea, segregation in education should be anathema on whatever grounds) the taxpayer will have to foot the shortfall.
 
The Card Cheat said:
Being agnostic, I have no dog in the fight but purely in my experience the opposite is true. The people I personally know with a faith are tolerant and respectful of others beliefs or lack of. The people that I know who are determinedly atheistic all seem very dogmatic, dismissive and arrogant in their attitude towards people with a faith. I hear them call people stupid, weak and make sarastic comments about "sky fairies". Thats completely anecdotal mind.
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Oh I agree - tolerance and respect are pretty common in people with faith. Equally, there are many who have no faith who are tolerant and respectful.
Personal view - that’s the way forward.

I guess, in hindsight I generalised too much - I do know a few dogmatic belivers so I should have said ‘some’ won’t care about Aztec’s view and some will think he has got it wrong.
 
Soutra said:
The king is the defender of the faith in England and Wales, and upholder of the Church of Scotland.

The Anglican church and the Presbyterian churches are woven into the framework of the state.
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Aye and its a load of bollox. I really wish we were more secular as a society like the Scandinavian countries. Organised religion has been at the heart of some of the worst atrocities for centuries. Just look at the good old US of A and all the relgious crack pots over there now. I would like schools to actively discourage all faiths in the clasroom if pepole want believe it then so be it do it in their own free time.
 
FishofContemplation said:
I think you’re missing the point in practice, whatever the history. The state isn’t providing support for faith schools, the faith organisations are providing support for maintained schools. If we want them out (and I wouldn’t be averse to the idea, segregation in education should be anathema on whatever grounds) the taxpayer will have to foot the shortfall.
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So, I have a 1 year old grandchild. I'm an atheist my daughter is I would say agnostic since her mother died. Where do we send my grandson so he's not indoctrinated in a faith neither of us believe in? My stance with my daughter when she was brought up in a faith school was to just let her believe in what she wanted just like santa and make her own mind up. But why should she have to have been subjected to anything I didn't believe in and why should my grandson?
 
Glover_elbow said:
Aye and its a load of bollox. I really wish we were more secular as a society like the Scandinavian countries. Organised religion has been at the heart of some of the worst atrocities for centuries. Just look at the good old US of A and all the relgious crack pots over there now. I would like schools to actively discourage all faiths in the clasroom if pepole want believe it then so be it do it in their own free time.
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You'd actually be amazed at how religious the Scandinavian countries are. I work in Norway. OK the ordinary people aren't necessarily religious but their laws on alcohol are certainly based in religion.
 
Aztec chimera said:
So, I have a 1 year old grandchild. I'm an atheist my daughter is I would say agnostic since her mother died. Where do we send my grandson so he's not indoctrinated in a faith neither of us believe in? My stance with my daughter when she was brought up in a faith school was to just let her believe in what she wanted just like santa and make her own mind up. But why should she have to have been subjected to anything I didn't believe in and why should my grandson?
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If it matters enough to you and you wish her to be educated in the maintained sector you should:
A) send her to a school that is not voluntary aided or voluntary controlled by a faith organisation (there are plenty) and
B) campaign for the abolition of such status.

I’d support you in principle on the second (the first is none of my business) but you need to acknowledge the taxpayer practically, which is why it’s not top of my list of battles to fight.
 
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