9 year old boy killed after months of abuse

This is heartbreaking.

As a father I can't bear to think how someone can do this to their child.

Those 2 shouldn't be allowed to be freed, however, those higher up should face punishment too. The sheer fact the police, social services etc knew about this case, for months/years, is unforgivable.

This whole case is shocking, from top to bottom.
 
Jimmythequiz said:
How on earth can you use this terrible sad event to have a go at the tories?
I am totally anti-conservative but wouldn’t lower myself to connect it to such a sad occasion
You will be blaming it on racists next
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Speak to anyone involved with social care in any way shape or form and they will all tell you the same thing.

Underfunding / cuts since 2010 have caused this.Workload increases dramatically, staff numbers are cut and the outcome is this. Staff can't give the mountain of cases the time they need so incidents such as this slip through.

See also NHS, Police.

And the common denominator is ........?

As a dad of a 9 yr old lad I find this utterly heartbreaking. I've never needed or wanted to even raise.a finger towards him, so for some sadistic tw*ts to do this.......😓😓😓
 
Jimmythequiz said:
How on earth can you use this terrible sad event to have a go at the tories?
I am totally anti-conservative but wouldn’t lower myself to connect it to such a sad occasion
You will be blaming it on racists next
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Well that comment and a seemingly total lack of understanding of ability to see a direct causal link through underfunding, over-stretched public services and poor standards leading to inevitable human suffering as case loads soar is frankly alarming.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
I understand what you mean regarding undercutting services but these two are pure evil and only they are to blame for the loss of this lad's life.

So sad to read.

RIP
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Whilst I obviously agree that they are pure evil, the fact is it could and should have been prevented. You can’t blame one particular politician for it, but the fact is that years of austerity have had an enormously detrimental effect.

Austerity, Brexit, corruption and partying is what this government will be remembered for and they do have blood on their hands. This isn’t an isolated case by any means.
 
coluka said:
Well that comment and a seemingly total lack of understanding of ability to see a direct causal link through underfunding, over-stretched public services and poor standards leading to inevitable human suffering as case loads soar is frankly alarming.
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Underfunding is clearly an issue but for some reason these type of parents always seem to slip through the net - regardless of who is in government.
It seems obvious that the parents are given too many chances. You would think there would be no tolerance, any sign of abuse and the child is taken away to safety.
But then would you end up with another Marietta Higgs situation?
 
Rofesleg said:
Underfunding is clearly an issue but for some reason these type of parents always seem to slip through the net - regardless of who is in government.
It seems obvious that the parents are given too many chances. You would think there would be no tolerance, any sign of abuse and the child is taken away to safety.
But then would you end up with another Marietta Higgs situation?
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I know what you mean and I agree. However, whichever angle you look at it from, chronic underfunding is at its root cause. Lack of trained social workers, poor salaries, training debts (degree route), high demand, high caseloads, high cost of interventions, on top of the personal pressures entailed within the job. I have no doubt that decision making is funding led, back of a fag packet cost benefit analyses being made on risk and interventions, mistakes will always be inevitable. I am amazed we don’t see more than we do.

Social Care is on its knees, governments keep kicking the can down the road because they know the cost of putting things right is very, very high and a likely vote loser. I would suggest (I don’t know though) but think it likely that the people that need interventions the least will be the people that contribute the most in taxes and are often less likely to support tax rises to fund it. It never ceases to amaze me how people expect low taxes but state help at the drop of a hat. The it’ll never happen to me brigade until it then touches them in some way directly, or indirectly through family and friends etc.

Higher taxation has to happen otherwise we remain in this struggle to the bottom. Of course more money itself will not solve the problem alone, root and branch restructuring, modernising and using AI and modern effective processes, technologies and interventions along with effective recruitment, training and retention is needed. The longer its left the harder the solution becomes, and the less likelihood of it happening sadly.
 
Col makes a great point no doubt someone like the head of social services for that area will goto court but nothing will be done about the underfunding by central government.
 
Sexpom said:
Give it a rest, what happened to that poor boy is disgraceful.

I only deal in facts and the government have had a massive hand in his death.
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I have said this before and it's worth repeating. The tories since 2010 are directly responsible for 330k avoidable deaths through austerity measures.

Think about that for a moment.

I would ignore jimmythequiz he is either daft or a tory shill.
 
Laughing said:
I have said this before and it's worth repeating. The tories since 2010 are directly responsible for 330k avoidable deaths through austerity measures.

Think about that for a moment.

I would ignore jimmythequiz he is either daft or a tory shill.
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Absolutely laughing, 330k is it really that high?

A truly astonishing figure.
 
Sexpom said:
Absolutely laughing, 330k is it really that high?

A truly astonishing figure.
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Yes it is mate. It does not include the pandemic either. Look for the glasgow university paper on this very subject.

It's really shoking reading.
 
It's completely horrific what has occured, and there's no doubt in anyway, shape or form that the adults involved and convicted, deserve the death penalty..
They will not serve any purpose to society . Ever .

And at the same time..

I've experienced what Frontline services have had to try to accommodate..
In the last 14 years , due to government cuts ..
' thresholds' reduced to increase numbers on caseload, so numbers can have trebled for the SW
' thresholds' reduced , to the point what was once red , is now amber.
( A simple example is the use of foodbanks , 15 years ago not able to afford food for kids WOULD be a red flag , not for the past 5 years plus )

Shipping in social workers from elsewhere, agency style , who frankly, have no idea what the north east is like, and little life experience often straight from uni .

There's a reason that those who could retire did ..
And that there's v well paying ' apprenticeships ' , for those with a degree to become SW ..

It's a bigger scandal than the NHS imho .. and I didn't work for children services ..
But I worked with them ...
The reality is there is not enough in place preventively
And nowhere for the vulnerable kids to be placed ( that is safe and not just a grandparent )

Politics do matter
 
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h_m_boro said:
Speak to anyone involved with social care in any way shape or form and they will all tell you the same thing.

Underfunding / cuts since 2010 have caused this.Workload increases dramatically, staff numbers are cut and the outcome is this. Staff can't give the mountain of cases the time they need so incidents such as this slip through.

See also NHS, Police.

And the common denominator is ........?

As a dad of a 9 yr old lad I find this utterly heartbreaking. I've never needed or wanted to even raise.a finger towards him, so for some sadistic tw*ts to do this.......😓😓😓
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Incidents like this shouldn’t slip through. Maybe underfunding played a part but incompetence is probably a factor. I had first hand experience this year of dealing with the police supporting a victim of domestic abuse - six separate officers visited her on three occasions yet they failed to reflect in their notes (if their notes werent lost) what actually happened. The intelligence levels and lack of common sense in some of these people contributes to mistakes I’m sure - in the case I describe it was nothing to do with funding but the handling of the case.
 
Muttley said:
Really?

You think that extra training and perhaps a reduced operational load wouldn't have perhaps helped? I think it is unlikely that all six officers were "incompetent", it is far more likely that they were all over worked and under trained.
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Not under trained the point we were making to one was a point of common sense , the fact he didn’t understand it and ignored it in his report is not something that could be remedied by training.

The other thing I experienced was the sheer volume of departments and agencies that you deal with ( that doesn’t feel like underfunding) the breakdown in communication between all these parties contributes to the failings in my example. Victims should have a single point of contact Responsible for their case from start to conclusion - it’s too easy for one department to blame another the way things are currently set up.
 
I dont even want to read the article. It makes me sick to my stomach and no punishment would be enough for these evil people, i am not calling them parents.

That poor little boy
 
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