65% if delta hospitalisations have not been vaccinated

Why would anyone agree to saying their relative died of Covid when they committed suicide, and either way it doesn’t make it right even if they do agree to put it on a death certificate . The figures are skewed and misleading because of misinformation like this



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Exactly. They wouldn't. So the figures are correct.
 
Nightclub owners still have their businesses in lockdown, plus many many pubs that are still closed as it's not viable for them to open up under current restrictions.
 
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And there in lies the problem with the way these deaths are being recorded. Why on earth is a suicide victim being recorded in the daily Covid death figures. I too know of other people who have been put in the Covid deaths when they’ve died of something else and yet there are people on here (naming no names) who still deny this happens. This is why i have no faith in the number of deaths that we’re told has happened




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My friend put this to a consultant working with Covid patients and he said you can roughly half the publicised figures if you want to count the people who actually died of Covid itself.
 
Exactly. They wouldn't. So the figures are correct.
Really - you actually believe that ? So you believe that someone who took their own life did in fact die of Covid as long as their next of kin says it’s ok to say that on a death certificate . I can’t believe anyone is that daft to be honest



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Really - you actually believe that ? So you believe that someone who took their own life did in fact die of Covid as long as their next of kin says it’s ok to say that on a death certificate . I can’t believe anyone is that daft to be honest



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You said that not me. If you have evidence that a death certificate is incorrect you should go to the coroner immediately. Otherwise stop promoting misleading covid denier and anti-vax propaganda.

I can't believe you're calling next of kin liars.
 
You said that not me. If you have evidence that a death certificate is incorrect you should go to the coroner immediately. Otherwise stop promoting misleading covid denier and anti-vax propaganda.

I can't believe you're calling next of kin liars.
I’m not calling them liars or denying Covid exists or spreading anti vax propaganda thank you , I’m pointing out that to say someone died of Covid 19 when they committed suicide is wrong. If you can’t see that then that’s your problem.If i shot you in the head an you happened to have Covid 19 at the same time I’d suspect I’d be charged with murder, you’d not be put down as another Covid victim



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I’m not calling them liars or denying Covid exists or spreading anti vax propaganda thank you , I’m pointing out that to say someone died of Covid 19 when they committed suicide is wrong. If you can’t see that then that’s your problem.If i shot you in the head an you happened to have Covid 19 at the same time I’d suspect I’d be charged with murder, you’d not be put down as another Covid victim



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Suicide is obviously a mental health issue, but what if the trigger is either catching Covid, the after affects of Covid or issues regarding lockdown. Surely the cause of someone taking their life should be recorded.
 
You said it’s time to make it mandatory - if that’s not force then i don’t know what is




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Nope I said "Time to make it mandatory or reduce the privileges of those that refuse to be vaccinated." then I went on to qualify that it was the second of those.
 
Nope I said "Time to make it mandatory or reduce the privileges of those that refuse to be vaccinated." then I went on to qualify that it was the second of those.
Still a terrible idea bm where would you draw the line in greater good actions. We shouldn't be allowed to drive at all really, the particulates interfere with child brain development, for example. Smoking increases risk to those around you. Not wearing a mask when you have flu increases risk to those around you. Alcohol increases risk to those around you.

Ultimately, you cannot force nor penalise someone for making a personal choice, assuming you live in a free country.

The drain out of the uk would be massive as I wouldn't live in a country who took freedom of choice away from individuals.

Covid has turned the country upside down.
 
If i'm reading that right, 12 fully vaccinated people died out of 33,000 delta infections? That sounds like vaccines are working fine to me.

Forgive the potentialy daft question, I've stayed away from news websites the last few weeks.....but why are we delaying lockdown ending? Are the hospitalisation levels from "unvaccinated" people still a risk to the NHS or something? Is this just guess work from health experts or are they expecting hospitals to get near breaking point again?

I know they'll be answers but I don't get it - hospitalisations and deaths seem to have remained really low bearing in mind this variant has been around a couple of months now. Pretty sure hospitalisations and deaths for other things FAR FAR outweigh covid now.

Or is it just a precaution? I'm genuinely curious.

At what point do we just live with it?

The concern is that if delta infection rates get out of control, then more mutations are likely to occur, and it only takes one mutation that can get past our vaccines and the country is almost back to square one again. This is why they are repeatedly asking people to get the vaccine when they are offered one.
 
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