65% if delta hospitalisations have not been vaccinated

Johnnyweetabix

Johnnyweetabix

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According to the BBC today .

So can we infer this is mostly young people ?

......Or vaccine eligible people who by and large have chosen not to have it . (Appreciate a very small minority of adults can’t)


If it’s the latter then I’ll be really hacked off as it’s these selfish people shafting the economy and restricting a move to more normality or travel

Get your vaccinations when offered people and stop being selfish !
 
Steer said:
What is more alarming, is that I assume that the remaining 35% of hospitalizations HAVE been vaccinated, and yet they are in hospital.
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It seems to be a combination. Graph put up by Whitty earlier this week showing change in age group hospitalisations.
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Out of 33,000 cases analysed by PHE and confirmed to be the Delta variant since February, 223 have been admitted to hospital - most were unvaccinated or had only had only dose, and 20 people were fully vaccinated.
And of 42 deaths in people with Delta variant infections, 23 were unvaccinated and seven had received only one dose. The other 12 had received two doses more than two weeks before.
 
Yes there is some fascinating data out there. Public health England have just published that from 01 feb to 14 June 60624 cases of delta resulting in 73 deaths , thats 0.1 of 1% or .001.

only 488 of those 60624 cases needed an overnight stay . Yet it feels like we are being brainwashed that it’s a huge concern and is a massive reason for yet another delay and lockdown of international travel

I’m become more sceptical
 
Teesste said:
Out of 33,000 cases analysed by PHE and confirmed to be the Delta variant since February, 223 have been admitted to hospital - most were unvaccinated or had only had only dose, and 20 people were fully vaccinated.
And of 42 deaths in people with Delta variant infections, 23 were unvaccinated and seven had received only one dose. The other 12 had received two doses more than two weeks before.
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If i'm reading that right, 12 fully vaccinated people died out of 33,000 delta infections? That sounds like vaccines are working fine to me.

Forgive the potentialy daft question, I've stayed away from news websites the last few weeks.....but why are we delaying lockdown ending? Are the hospitalisation levels from "unvaccinated" people still a risk to the NHS or something? Is this just guess work from health experts or are they expecting hospitals to get near breaking point again?

I know they'll be answers but I don't get it - hospitalisations and deaths seem to have remained really low bearing in mind this variant has been around a couple of months now. Pretty sure hospitalisations and deaths for other things FAR FAR outweigh covid now.

Or is it just a precaution? I'm genuinely curious.

At what point do we just live with it?
 
DanBoro4499 said:
If i'm reading that right, 12 fully vaccinated people died out of 33,000 delta infections? That sounds like vaccines are working fine to me.

Forgive the potentialy daft question, I've stayed away from news websites the last few weeks.....but why are we delaying lockdown ending? Are the hospitalisation levels from "unvaccinated" people still a risk to the NHS or something? Is this just guess work from health experts or are they expecting hospitals to get near breaking point again?

I know they'll be answers but I don't get it - hospitalisations and deaths seem to have remained really low bearing in mind this variant has been around a couple of months now. Pretty sure hospitalisations and deaths for other things FAR FAR outweigh covid now.

Or is it just a precaution? I'm genuinely curious.

At what point do we just live with it?
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I believe the Delta variant is much more highly transmissible, so they're probably wanting to nip it in the bud before it gets to the point where it could cause the NHS issues.
 
Caesium137 said:
I believe the Delta variant is much more highly transmissible, so they're probably wanting to nip it in the bud before it gets to the point where it could cause the NHS issues.
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The problem is the large number of admissions after the second highest A&E visits for a single month in May. They're clearly concerned that any increase, even from low numbers, will make things even worse. From the BMJ three days ago:

“Health leaders are all too aware that rising infections, and especially at such a rapid rate, can easily lead to major rises in hospital admissions. Even a slight increase in admissions will affect capacity and could put recovery efforts at risk. Covid-19 hospital admissions are already going up, and that will put capacity under strain, especially as the latest performance figures showed 5.1 million people are waiting to start treatment.
 
Steer said:
What is more alarming, is that I assume that the remaining 35% of hospitalizations HAVE been vaccinated, and yet they are in hospital.
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But at the same time 80% of adults have been vaccinated, so about 65% of people, yet only 35% of hospital cases are vaccinated. So basically, it really helps to reduce the impact. What we really need though is to get close to 100% vaccination. Time to make it mandatory or reduce the privileges of those that refuse to be vaccinated.
 
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bear66 said:
Do the maths yourself.

Currently 1200 in hospital. Either 488 have been in hospital for three months and the other 712 have been in longer than three months with the Alpha variant . . . or the number is wrong.
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i got my data off the bbc website . Can’t seem to see the link via my mobile . There are 806 admitted so far with the delta variant and on the linky thing thing icant find it said 488 of those needed an overnight stay.....here’s some of the info

A total of 806 people in England have been admitted to hospital with the Delta variant of Covid-19 as of 14 June, new figures show.

This is a rise of 423 on the previous week, according to the data from Public Health England.

Of the 806 hospitalisations:

  • 527 (65%) people were unvaccinated
  • 135 (17%) were more than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine
  • 84 (10%) were more than 14 days after their second dose.
As of 14 June, there have been 73 deaths in England of people who were confirmed as having the Delta variant and who died within 28 days of a positive test.

Of the 73 deaths:

  • 34 (47%) were unvaccinated
  • 10 (14%) were more than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine
  • 26 (36%) were more than 14 days after their second dose.
 
BoroMart said:
Time to make it mandatory or reduce the privileges of those that refuse to be vaccinated.
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I'd be fully behind either of those 2 Mart, and i'll tell you why....I know a couple of "anti vaxers" who have admitted if they couldn't go away on holiday without vaccination - then they'd get it.

Double standards or what?....Morons.

Hit them where it hurts I say.
 
Johnnyweetabix said:
i got my data off the bbc website . Can’t seem to see the link via my mobile . There are 806 admitted so far with the delta variant and on the linky thing thing icant find it said 488 of those needed an overnight stay.....here’s some of the info

A total of 806 people in England have been admitted to hospital with the Delta variant of Covid-19 as of 14 June, new figures show.

This is a rise of 423 on the previous week, according to the data from Public Health England.

Of the 806 hospitalisations:

  • 527 (65%) people were unvaccinated
  • 135 (17%) were more than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine
  • 84 (10%) were more than 14 days after their second dose.
As of 14 June, there have been 73 deaths in England of people who were confirmed as having the Delta variant and who died within 28 days of a positive test.

Of the 73 deaths:

  • 34 (47%) were unvaccinated
  • 10 (14%) were more than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine
  • 26 (36%) were more than 14 days after their second dose.
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Has it ever been properly cleared up what exactly a "covid death" is yet?

Does it still mean "with" covid and not "of"?

If I tested positive for covid today and jumped off a cliff on Sunday would that go onto those stats you've quoted?
 
Johnnyweetabix said:
i got my data off the bbc website . Can’t seem to see the link via my mobile . There are 806 admitted so far with the delta variant and on the linky thing thing icant find it said 488 of those needed an overnight stay.....here’s some of the info

A total of 806 people in England have been admitted to hospital with the Delta variant of Covid-19 as of 14 June, new figures show.

This is a rise of 423 on the previous week, according to the data from Public Health England.

Of the 806 hospitalisations:

  • 527 (65%) people were unvaccinated
  • 135 (17%) were more than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine
  • 84 (10%) were more than 14 days after their second dose.
As of 14 June, there have been 73 deaths in England of people who were confirmed as having the Delta variant and who died within 28 days of a positive test.

Of the 73 deaths:

  • 34 (47%) were unvaccinated
  • 10 (14%) were more than 21 days after their first dose of vaccine
  • 26 (36%) were more than 14 days after their second dose.
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That's a weekly figure for week ending 14 June, not the total.
 
DanBoro4499 said:
Has it ever been properly cleared up what exactly a "covid death" is yet?

Does it still mean "with" covid and not "of"?

If I tested positive for covid today and jumped off a cliff on Sunday would that go onto those stats you've quoted?
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There are two figures. One is based on deaths within the last 28 days (daily figures). This is an estimate and shows trends, but isn't the definitive number. The definitive number is the one updated weekly by the ONS (currently 50% higher than the daily average); this is based on death certificates that next of kin agree with the registrar when signing the death certificate.
 
DanBoro4499 said:
Has it ever been properly cleared up what exactly a "covid death" is yet?

Does it still mean "with" covid and not "of"?

If I tested positive for covid today and jumped off a cliff on Sunday would that go onto those stats you've quoted?
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Yes, you'll find it if you research it.
 
There is so much data and information out there, not to mention extreme views and (mis)interpretation from both sides of the debate, it’s difficult to keep track of what’s going on.

For what it’s worth, I find these people on Twitter are either good reliable sources of data or pretty realistic/centrist in terms of covid analysis and data distribution.
Might be worth a look for some, if interested in that kind of thing, as I think they cut out a fair amount of the noise and often explain in fairly understandable ways how things could go and the mathematics behind why delta variant driven 3rd wave could potentially lead to problems for hospitalisatons.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1403272035304882179

https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1405849341336641539?s=20

https://twitter.com/JamesWard73/status/1405608918550728710?s=20
 
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