6 more months!

No one seems to give a monkeys about Delivery Drivers, Hospital staff, police, wharehouse staff, teachers, taxi drivers, but the big accountants, civil servants and solicitors have to be protected
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
Most large law firms banks and accountants have already said they are not returning to their offices until 2021. Thats what they were saying months ago.
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As long as the government and civil service continues to lead by example in doing exactly the same (paid for by you and me), the situation won't alter.
 
Of course it is going to return. What we should be doing is having draconian measures in place at the borders. Use the fact we are an island. Sacrifice the majority of our tourism but to keep everything else normal. It's do-able too, New Zealand and Taiwan have both successfully used their island status to have minimal CV-19 cases and deaths. Taiwan 23 million people, 509 cases, 7 deaths! If you multiply by about 2.8 to compare with the UK, that would be 20 deaths, not 45K+. We could all be having a normal life if we locked the borders.

A friend is in Hong Kong on business (Hong Kongs current rate of infection....0 out of 7.5million people):

- Before leaving the UK I had to download the HK “StayHomeSafe” app which the HK government uses to check physical movements.
- Before leaving the UK I also had to fill in the HK Health declaration form on my phone which generates another QR code, this one with my contact details on it.
- Everyone on the flight wore masks. Anyone not wearing masks was told by the stewards to put them on.
- On disembarkment from the plane, we had to queue to get on to a train (like the one at Stansted) which took us to the far end of the airport. We then had to show the QR code and that we had downloaded the app at the first checkpoint.
- Next checkpoint : another check of the QR code and a forehead temperature check.
- A check point to ensure that the mobile phone number on the app worked for this phone and that I had it on me.
- Next check point : wristband with electronic tag inside fixed to wrist. The app was then used to scan the wrist band code into the app so that the app can authentic my details and ping my phone.
- A desk : check the app and QR code. Given a quarantine order reminding me of the punishments for not quarantining (6 months jail and $25,000 fine).
- Next check point. Do I have an order?
- Next check point : a video explaining how to raise ‘deep throat phlegm’ by making a kraaaaw noise before spitting into a funnel and ultimately a test tube.
- Next check point : a number to indicate which booth to go into and a plastic bag with the spit tube and some alcoholic hand wipes.
I leave the check point with my sample. Next check point takes the sample off me with a pair of metal bbq tongs.
- Penultimate check point : a man checks the app and QR codes, crosses me off the aeroplane’s manifest as having complied with the order and gives me a lanyard with a desk number. The desk is set up in what would have been a standard waiting area. Each flight has its own area. There are white melamine school desks and a chair. Each desk is 1.5 metres from its neighbours.
- Final check : I’m given a bottle of water and an Oreo bar. It’s currently taking around 9 hours to get results and I can’t move.

This is how you get normality to UK life again.
 
BoroMart said:
Of course it is going to return. What we should be doing is having draconian measures in place at the borders. Use the fact we are an island. Sacrifice the majority of our tourism but to keep everything else normal. It's do-able too, New Zealand and Taiwan have both successfully used their island status to have minimal CV-19 cases and deaths. Taiwan 23 million people, 509 cases, 7 deaths! If you multiply by about 2.8 to compare with the UK, that would be 20 deaths, not 45K+. We could all be having a normal life if we locked the borders.

A friend is in Hong Kong on business (Hong Kongs current rate of infection....0 out of 7.5million people):

- Before leaving the UK I had to download the HK “StayHomeSafe” app which the HK government uses to check physical movements.
- Before leaving the UK I also had to fill in the HK Health declaration form on my phone which generates another QR code, this one with my contact details on it.
- Everyone on the flight wore masks. Anyone not wearing masks was told by the stewards to put them on.
- On disembarkment from the plane, we had to queue to get on to a train (like the one at Stansted) which took us to the far end of the airport. We then had to show the QR code and that we had downloaded the app at the first checkpoint.
- Next checkpoint : another check of the QR code and a forehead temperature check.
- A check point to ensure that the mobile phone number on the app worked for this phone and that I had it on me.
- Next check point : wristband with electronic tag inside fixed to wrist. The app was then used to scan the wrist band code into the app so that the app can authentic my details and ping my phone.
- A desk : check the app and QR code. Given a quarantine order reminding me of the punishments for not quarantining (6 months jail and $25,000 fine).
- Next check point. Do I have an order?
- Next check point : a video explaining how to raise ‘deep throat phlegm’ by making a kraaaaw noise before spitting into a funnel and ultimately a test tube.
- Next check point : a number to indicate which booth to go into and a plastic bag with the spit tube and some alcoholic hand wipes.
I leave the check point with my sample. Next check point takes the sample off me with a pair of metal bbq tongs.
- Penultimate check point : a man checks the app and QR codes, crosses me off the aeroplane’s manifest as having complied with the order and gives me a lanyard with a desk number. The desk is set up in what would have been a standard waiting area. Each flight has its own area. There are white melamine school desks and a chair. Each desk is 1.5 metres from its neighbours.
- Final check : I’m given a bottle of water and an Oreo bar. It’s currently taking around 9 hours to get results and I can’t move.

This is how you get normality to UK life again.
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Normality again. Until, of course, the virus mysteriously reappears again, be it in NZ, HK, Taiwan or here.

Much as King Canute couldn't order back the waves, draconian measures do not abate a virus.
 
BoroMart said:
Of course it is going to return. What we should be doing is having draconian measures in place at the borders. Use the fact we are an island. Sacrifice the majority of our tourism but to keep everything else normal. It's do-able too, New Zealand and Taiwan have both successfully used their island status to have minimal CV-19 cases and deaths. Taiwan 23 million people, 509 cases, 7 deaths! If you multiply by about 2.8 to compare with the UK, that would be 20 deaths, not 45K+. We could all be having a normal life if we locked the borders.

A friend is in Hong Kong on business (Hong Kongs current rate of infection....0 out of 7.5million people):

- Before leaving the UK I had to download the HK “StayHomeSafe” app which the HK government uses to check physical movements.
- Before leaving the UK I also had to fill in the HK Health declaration form on my phone which generates another QR code, this one with my contact details on it.
- Everyone on the flight wore masks. Anyone not wearing masks was told by the stewards to put them on.
- On disembarkment from the plane, we had to queue to get on to a train (like the one at Stansted) which took us to the far end of the airport. We then had to show the QR code and that we had downloaded the app at the first checkpoint.
- Next checkpoint : another check of the QR code and a forehead temperature check.
- A check point to ensure that the mobile phone number on the app worked for this phone and that I had it on me.
- Next check point : wristband with electronic tag inside fixed to wrist. The app was then used to scan the wrist band code into the app so that the app can authentic my details and ping my phone.
- A desk : check the app and QR code. Given a quarantine order reminding me of the punishments for not quarantining (6 months jail and $25,000 fine).
- Next check point. Do I have an order?
- Next check point : a video explaining how to raise ‘deep throat phlegm’ by making a kraaaaw noise before spitting into a funnel and ultimately a test tube.
- Next check point : a number to indicate which booth to go into and a plastic bag with the spit tube and some alcoholic hand wipes.
I leave the check point with my sample. Next check point takes the sample off me with a pair of metal bbq tongs.
- Penultimate check point : a man checks the app and QR codes, crosses me off the aeroplane’s manifest as having complied with the order and gives me a lanyard with a desk number. The desk is set up in what would have been a standard waiting area. Each flight has its own area. There are white melamine school desks and a chair. Each desk is 1.5 metres from its neighbours.
- Final check : I’m given a bottle of water and an Oreo bar. It’s currently taking around 9 hours to get results and I can’t move.

This is how you get normality to UK life again.
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Trouble is that would require organisation. Take a look. And / or an authoritarian state. We're on the way to that though, but without the organisation.
 
Lostpassword said:
No one seems to give a monkeys about Delivery Drivers, Hospital staff, police, wharehouse staff, teachers, taxi drivers, but the big accountants, civil servants and solicitors have to be protected
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All those firms will have people that have to go into the office. Likewise hospitals and deliver firms and schools will have people working from home where they can
 
BoroMart said:
Of course it is going to return. What we should be doing is having draconian measures in place at the borders. Use the fact we are an island. Sacrifice the majority of our tourism but to keep everything else normal. It's do-able too, New Zealand and Taiwan have both successfully used their island status to have minimal CV-19 cases and deaths. Taiwan 23 million people, 509 cases, 7 deaths! If you multiply by about 2.8 to compare with the UK, that would be 20 deaths, not 45K+. We could all be having a normal life if we locked the borders.

A friend is in Hong Kong on business (Hong Kongs current rate of infection....0 out of 7.5million people):

- Before leaving the UK I had to download the HK “StayHomeSafe” app which the HK government uses to check physical movements.
- Before leaving the UK I also had to fill in the HK Health declaration form on my phone which generates another QR code, this one with my contact details on it.
- Everyone on the flight wore masks. Anyone not wearing masks was told by the stewards to put them on.
- On disembarkment from the plane, we had to queue to get on to a train (like the one at Stansted) which took us to the far end of the airport. We then had to show the QR code and that we had downloaded the app at the first checkpoint.
- Next checkpoint : another check of the QR code and a forehead temperature check.
- A check point to ensure that the mobile phone number on the app worked for this phone and that I had it on me.
- Next check point : wristband with electronic tag inside fixed to wrist. The app was then used to scan the wrist band code into the app so that the app can authentic my details and ping my phone.
- A desk : check the app and QR code. Given a quarantine order reminding me of the punishments for not quarantining (6 months jail and $25,000 fine).
- Next check point. Do I have an order?
- Next check point : a video explaining how to raise ‘deep throat phlegm’ by making a kraaaaw noise before spitting into a funnel and ultimately a test tube.
- Next check point : a number to indicate which booth to go into and a plastic bag with the spit tube and some alcoholic hand wipes.
I leave the check point with my sample. Next check point takes the sample off me with a pair of metal bbq tongs.
- Penultimate check point : a man checks the app and QR codes, crosses me off the aeroplane’s manifest as having complied with the order and gives me a lanyard with a desk number. The desk is set up in what would have been a standard waiting area. Each flight has its own area. There are white melamine school desks and a chair. Each desk is 1.5 metres from its neighbours.
- Final check : I’m given a bottle of water and an Oreo bar. It’s currently taking around 9 hours to get results and I can’t move.

This is how you get normality to UK life again.
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That's ridiculous and borders on an infringement on human rights.
If this was the way we decided to treat illegal immigrants who came to our country people would be up in arms and rightly so.
 
TheFair86 said:
All those firms will have people that have to go into the office. Likewise hospitals and deliver firms and schools will have people working from home where they can
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That's fine, you keep ordering the goods and make sure the driver leaves them at your door, you don't want to put yourself at any risk.
 
Colin Warnek said:
Normality again. Until, of course, the virus mysteriously reappears again, be it in NZ, HK, Taiwan or here.

Much as King Canute couldn't order back the waves, draconian measures do not abate a virus.
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So that's why you have a track and trace that actually works, and you can stop it getting out of control.
 
Tommy_Dickfingers said:
That's ridiculous and borders on an infringement on human rights.
If this was the way we decided to treat illegal immigrants who came to our country people would be up in arms and rightly so.
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If it saves lives and allows us to have some normality in our day to day lives. Go to pub without masks, open up cineams and theatres and football stadia. Something has to give or lives will be lost and an early death is the greatest infringement on your human rights.
 
Don't forget, we were told our tracing app will be released on Thursday so I would hope that will be part of Johnson's address tonight.
Of course, it may not be ready as promised or it might be delayed because it could increase the demand for testing and further knacker up Dido's failing project.

LINK
 
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