3 month gap between AZ jabs given thumbs up by report in Lancet

Randy said:
My point is some people are still hooked up on Russia been the big bad commie wolf coming to blow the house down.

Russia has always been at the forefront of science since well before anybody on here was born. With Putin been the richest man in the world (yes seriously he is) I see no reason why Russia's position would be any different.
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That's a very lovely world view. And I would trust A Russian. But I really wouldn't trust the Russian state. They have a dictator in charge. They carry out cyber attacks and they are wholly and dangerously undemocratic
 
SmallTown said:
That's a very lovely world view. And I would trust A Russian. But I really wouldn't trust the Russian state. They have a dictator in charge. They carry out cyber attacks and they are wholly and dangerously undemocratic
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Cyber attacks?
 
SmallTown said:
You think North Korea do cyber attacks?
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Anyway we are going off piste. If you think the Russian state is trustworthy. Especially to us in the west then I’ll give you the benefit and say you’re charmingly naive.

let’s get the thread back on track
 
Randy said:
It's what was implied.

Russia and the UK could both announce they've found the cure to cancer at the same time. Who would people believe first?
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No, small town is right, my view is the medic just said he would want to see more information on the Sputnik before he would have it himself.

Did you hear the programme I am talking about? I don’t think it was presented as anti Russian more about vaccine safety.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
The chief exec of Astra zenica said it was exactly the right thing to do. It was also based on the results from existing vaccines such as ebola. And the decision was made by a group of experts all of whom will have had greater access than you're chap on the radio I'd imagine.
They're not closing their eyes and hoping for the best here.
The gamble is on pfizer and we don't know what the result of that will be.

An important factor in giving out one jab is the reduction in transmission. Getting as many people only one third as infectious could be absolutely huge.
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Yes I accept most gambles are calculated gambles. It’s very good news for all of us that it seems to have paid off. It was the guy on the radio who said it had been a gamble, not me.
 
HolgateCorner said:
I’ve just heard a medical guy this lunchtime on the Jeremy Vine show say that the decision to delay the second dose was a gamble based on very little data which has, fortunately, paid off.

I‘m only listening to expert opinion.

As an aside he also said he would not trust the Sputnik vaccine until he had seen more data.
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I haven't seen that interview but based on other comments, I believe he was probably talking about the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

This thread (and correspondingly, my comment) is about the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine, for which there is plentiful data supporting a larger gap between doses. In fact the data seems to indicate that the longer gaps of 12 weeks (or even more) provide better protection that shorter ones.
 
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Laughing said:
On the rah rah, absolutely. Whilst the success is largely the NHS' the government got 2 things spot on. Firstly the early procurement has helped enormously. Secondly the government could have chosen to farm out the vaccination program to some pest control company, but they didn't.

So yes, well done on that. I have a fairly cynical view on the early procurement and the vaccination strategy, but I don't know. It could be simplly good decision making.

To balance the good bits, the BMJ begged the government to re-think the 12 week gap for the Pfizer vaccinations. Over and above that, what will the picture look like when the government have to start doing second vaccinations, and that is about to happen. To give second vaccination shots, they will have to be doing 2nd shots at exactly the same rate, pro-rata, that they gave the first shot. That means that the ability to continue giving first shots is premised solely on increasing capacity, which the government has managed to do so far. From 200,000 a day to about 400,000 a day, but probably not consistently enough.

Once they get to the second vaccinations and run out of capacity the whole program will slow down as people are administered their second shots. That my friend, is where the maths starts to fall apart. Without continually increasing capacity, you eventually have to have a hiatus on first shots whilst you administer second shots.
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I think they could be already hedging their bets. Earlier in the vaccination campaign recipients were given the date of the second jab. I received my first jab yesterday and no follow up date was given. They said they'd get in touch when my next dose was available.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I think they could be already hedging their bets. Earlier in the vaccination campaign recipients were given the date of the second jab. I received my first jab yesterday and no follow up date was given. They said they'd get in touch when my next dose was available.
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You really old, at risk or work related Corky?
 
At risk, a mere 64.
Ah, congratulations then mate, I assumed that you were younger than that! Hopefully a load off your mind and the start of things looking up as spring warms up and a touch of normality returns.

Roll on pubs opening 😩.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I think they could be already hedging their bets. Earlier in the vaccination campaign recipients were given the date of the second jab. I received my first jab yesterday and no follow up date was given. They said they'd get in touch when my next dose was available.
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Hopefully that is just adminastritive Ctc. My dad and father in law were both given follow up dates for Jab2. If they start to extend the 12 week gap for Pfizer would be bad news.

I am not sure how supply for az is. If supplies are plentiful it would make sense to use that given our strategy.

Congrats on the Jab though. I am 56 and expecting mine sometime in April,along with my wife.
 
Laughing said:
Hopefully that is just adminastritive Ctc. My dad and father in law were both given follow up dates for Jab2. If they start to extend the 12 week gap for Pfizer would be bad news.

I am not sure how supply for az is. If supplies are plentiful it would make sense to use that given our strategy.

Congrats on the Jab though. I am 56 and expecting mine sometime in April,along with my wife.
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I'm CEV and have just received my letter asking me to book my vaccine appointments through the NHS site, first and second jabs were both booked at the same time.
 
I had my first Pfizer jab a couple of weeks ago and spoke today with my doc about another matter. He said he had the same jab back in mid December and has not yet been given a date for the second.
 
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