£24 million in, where do we go now?

Caesium137 said:
O'Hare, Greaves and Hoppe for £12 million?

Hoppe rumoured to be £2.5 million, Greaves about £3.5 million? & O'Hare about £6 million?

Wishful thinking or realistic?
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If you believe the rumours, Coventry want at least £10m for O'Hare that's why Burnley walked away.

Hull wanting £5m for Greaves.
 
h_m_boro said:
If you believe the rumours, Coventry want at least £10m for O'Hare that's why Burnley walked away.

Hull wanting £5m for Greaves.
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Crikey, has Levy taken over at Coventry!
Offer them £7.5 million take it or leave it.

Greaves in his last year? Or is there an automatic extension that Hull can trigger?

£5million sounds a lot, but if he develops well and we go up he'd be worth a lot more, I'd be tempted to offer £4 million plus, add ons.
 
Why people mix up amortisation with payments is beyond me.
When we agree a fee for a player, we conclude a deal and he becomes an asset on our Balance Sheet. We then amortise that fee over the length of his contract. £12m fee/ 4 year contract hits the P&L at £3m per year over 4 years.
When we pay for the asset is a separate consideration. We may pay it all upfront, or in instalments. This impacts cash flow and funding but not the P&L directly.
When we sell a player, an asset, then any fee above his outstanding amortised book value is a profit on player disposal and is revenue in that years P&L.
We make £22.5m profit on Spence and Tavernier THIS season.
If we spent ALL that now on players on 4 year deals, it would hit the P&L by £5.6m this season and the next three after that.
Gibson can spend that now and should if he wants to get out of the Championship and has faith in his recruitment and manager.
If he doesn’t get out he is stuck funding our losses in the Championship as he has for over a decade.
 
indeedido said:
Why people mix up amortisation with payments is beyond me.
When we agree a fee for a player, we conclude a deal and he becomes an asset on our Balance Sheet. We then amortise that fee over the length of his contract. £12m fee/ 4 year contract hits the P&L at £3m per year over 4 years.
When we pay for the asset is a separate consideration. We may pay it all upfront, or in instalments. This impacts cash flow and funding but not the P&L directly.
When we sell a player, an asset, then any fee above his outstanding amortised book value is a profit on player disposal and is revenue in that years P&L.
We make £22.5m profit on Spence and Tavernier THIS season.
If we spent ALL that now on players on 4 year deals, it would hit the P&L by £5.6m this season and the next three after that.
Gibson can spend that now and should if he wants to get out of the Championship and has faith in his recruitment and manager.
If he doesn’t get out he is stuck funding our losses in the Championship as he has for over a decade.
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'Why people mix up amortisation with payments is beyond me.'
Fair point - absolute nuggets those people who mix up payments with amortiwhatsisname.
 
I get the feeling we are not going to be spending £22.5m this summer.

How much is the interesting question

We certainly need about 7 new players.
 
BoroMart said:
think it will be 6 personally, we won't sign 3 midfielders and 3 more forwards
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Two more forwards now, at least two midfielders, and a LCB still too seems it's a position Wilder has mentioned a fair bit.

So five, and maybe six with a squad covering signing?
 
Morton94 said:
So 2 players we brought through our academy, picked up after failed experiences elsewhere have been sold for £24 million up front and could reportedly from what I've seen could rise an extra £10-£15 million. Close to £40 million in up front fees and add ons is absolutely incredible buisness and a huge well done to anyone involved over the last 3/4 years neutering 2 talents to earn the club some serious money!

However, unlike Spence, I'm absolutely gutted Tav is going. He took pelters for years and continues somehow to take them from people who don't understand goals and assists aren't everything for a player in Tav's position.
He has unbelievable energy and work rate and the defensive side to his game seems to go under the radar. 135 games for us under several different managers at either LWB, LW, CM, RWB or CAM is incredible, hard to remember sometimes he's only 23.

I wish him the very best of luck in the Premier League and hope he absolutely smashes it! My only issue is why Bournemouth 😂 I really think he could have done much better.

Now on to us!
Steffen, Roberts, Smith, Leinhan and Giles are massive upgrades on Lumley, Daniels, Hall, Peltier and Taylor.

What else do we need? It's obvious we need a left Sided center half, my pick would be to go get Jacob Grieves out of Hull.
CDM cover/slow replacement for Howson. My choice would be Hamza Choudhury on loan from Leicester, I'd absolutely love having a nasty b**tard in midfield.
Cm as competition for Crooks, my choice would be Hannibal on loan from Man United, I've heard great things about him from my Man United supporting friends, plus what a class name

Now the big ones... A Tav replacement and 3 strikers.
My choice for a Tav replacement is who I think 99% of fans are hoping we go nick, Callum O'Hare from Coventry.
Up top it looks like Marcus Forss, Rodrigo Muniz and one more. That final one has to be the marquee signing. My hope is that it will be Adam Armstrong.
The bonus of anyone else (Matthew Hoppe looking likely) will only be aiding to our promotion push.

It's not all doom and gloom, there's plenty of reason to be hopeful, we have the best manager in the league and we just have to trust the process.

UTFB
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Good post 👍
 
indeedido said:
We make £22.5m profit on Spence and Tavernier THIS season.
If we spent ALL that now on players on 4 year deals, it would hit the P&L by £5.6m this season and the next three after that.
Gibson can spend that now and should if he wants to get out of the Championship and has faith in his recruitment and manager.
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Exactly. In fact his FFP headroom now is massive, circa 40m.

We've only bought Forss for 3m over 4 years, we've added just 750k in amortised fees to our FFP. There is huge scope. OK, wages come into it, we've taken 6 players on, but then we've let a lot go. To be honest we could afford to go get Ronaldo if we wanted right now, and still be comfortably within FFP. If we really, really wanted to, he could spend 100m on transfers (amortised at 25m a year for 4 years) this summer and we would be fine at least this season for FFP. Not suggesting he should though, because we would be in firesale mode if we didn't go up. But you get the picture, we have a huge opportunity here, to rebuild our squad, have a chance of promotion, and make sure we start to build a squad of valuable assets, that protect our club moving forward by giving us a revnue stream from player sales moving forward.

Sell one player for 10-15m every year that either came through the youths or was bought for 2-3m and we will start to see an upturn in the club. That's how Brentford went from a League Two club to a stable prem side.
 
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