Chopped wife into 224 pieces

If you bring back the death sentence for a case like this, the questions soon change to ‘what is the least serious crime you think would justify it?’ and ‘how many innocent people would you be prepared to wrongly execute before you decide to abolish it again?’
 
North22 said:
Give it a rest the post is about a despicable crime and you still manage to bring the tories into it.
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The tories have murdered more people than this criminal has, to be fair.

Do you Tory apologists have nothing better to do?
 
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SilentProf said:
If you bring back the death sentence for a case like this, the questions soon change to ‘what is the least serious crime you think would justify it?’ and ‘how many innocent people would you be prepared to wrongly execute before you decide to abolish it again?’
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I'm talking about this case only and no other case!!

He chopped his wife into 224 pieces, it was 100% him, he knew exactly what he was doing and if the death penalty was here then this is a case where it should be used!!

Instead he will probably be segregated from other inmates for his own safety, get his own cell, TV, daily meals etc.

The poor girls family on the other hand will have to try to move on, how after reading that I'll never know!!
 
AytonMews said:
I think this is the bit I have an issue with i think.

We’re not locking him up with an intention of “rehabilitating” him… we’re locking him away in a cell for the next 40 years to keep him away from society and so we can say “well, at least we didn’t just kill him.”
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He will have a terrible time in the cells and rightly so. He will have time to stew on what he’s done.
 
Ayresome_park said:
In this case who has been wrongly accused because I'm talking about this case and no others!!
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So you are asking for an exception system, where normal written law is circumvented.

So how will that work? Who decides which crime can be put through the exception process? Who gets to decide what punishment above and beyond permitted in law should be dished out,how does the appeal process work?

This sounds horrifically draconian, dangerous, open to corruption and politicisation and unworkable.
 
Ayresome_park said:
I'm talking about this case only and no other case!!

He chopped his wife into 224 pieces, it was 100% him, he knew exactly what he was doing and if the death penalty was here then this is a case where it should be used!!

Instead he will probably be segregated from other inmates for his own safety, get his own cell, TV, daily meals etc.

The poor girls family on the other hand will have to try to move on, how after reading that I'll never know!!
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That's not how the law works. You can't change things for just one case.
 
North22 said:
Here we go the old Tory apologist accusations. 🙁
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Boohoo.

I’m sick of you and yours crying whenever your incompetence and criminality is brought into question.

Why don’t you discuss and debate the posters point rather than cry because the tories are being criticised and correctly so.
 
Ayresome_park said:
I'm talking about this case only and no other case!!

He chopped his wife into 224 pieces, it was 100% him, he knew exactly what he was doing and if the death penalty was here then this is a case where it should be used!!

Instead he will probably be segregated from other inmates for his own safety, get his own cell, TV, daily meals etc.

The poor girls family on the other hand will have to try to move on, how after reading that I'll never know!!
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I don’t disagree with you on any of that but you can’t say he should be executed but nobody else should unless you believe this is the worst crime that has or will ever committed. There is also the question of what level of mental incapacity you would be prepared to accept before the death penalty becomes unjustified?

You can punish someone and protect the public by taking away their freedom for the rest of their life with few luxuries. It may not feel like justice but killing someone as punishment for a crime is an act of revenge and I think even families of the victims would have to admit that even if it’s what they want in their case.
 
BoroMart said:
So you are asking for an exception system, where normal written law is circumvented.

So how will that work? Who decides which crime can be put through the exception process? Who gets to decide what punishment above and beyond permitted in law should be dished out,how does the appeal process work?

This sounds horrifically draconian, dangerous, open to corruption and politicisation and unworkable.
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Some men with pitchforks, what could possibly go wrong?
 
Ayresome_park said:
I'm talking about this case only and no other case!!

He chopped his wife into 224 pieces, it was 100% him, he knew exactly what he was doing and if the death penalty was here then this is a case where it should be used!!

Instead he will probably be segregated from other inmates for his own safety, get his own cell, TV, daily meals etc.

The poor girls family on the other hand will have to try to move on, how after reading that I'll never know!!
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Why not execute everyone who murders someone by stabbing them then rather than how they decide to dispose of the body ? The murdering bit is the worst part surely.
 
SilentProf said:
I don’t disagree with you on any of that but you can’t say he should be executed but nobody else should unless you believe this is the worst crime that has or will ever committed. There is also the question of what level of mental incapacity you would be prepared to accept before the death penalty becomes unjustified?

You can punish someone and protect the public by taking away their freedom for the rest of their life with few luxuries. It may not feel like justice but killing someone as punishment for a crime is an act of revenge and I think even families of the victims would have to admit that even if it’s what they want in their case.
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I too ain't disagreeing with you or anyone's else's point of view, we are all entitled to our opinion.

I think one of the issues here and in alot of cases is the wording around the sentence because yes I totally understand if I was to read that he will be locked away for the rest of his life and will never walk a street again, I'm all for that and rightly so.

Then on the other hand I read a minimum of 19 years and 316 days, he is 26 now so he could be released by the time he is 46, I don't see any justice in that what so ever especially because he could quite possibly go and commit the same crime again.

He should be locked away and the key thrown away so there you go ill meet you half way 😅
 
Ayresome_park said:
I too ain't disagreeing with you or anyone's else's point of view, we are all entitled to our opinion.

I think one of the issues here and in alot of cases is the wording around the sentence because yes I totally understand if I was to read that he will be locked away for the rest of his life and will never walk a street again, I'm all for that and rightly so.

Then on the other hand I read a minimum of 19 years and 316 days, he is 26 now so he could be released by the time he is 46, I don't see any justice in that what so ever especially because he could quite possibly go and commit the same crime again.

He should be locked away and the key thrown away so there you go ill meet you half way 😅
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If they throw the key away how are the going to get other murderers in?
 
Ayresome_park said:
This is a 100% example of someone who is seriously messed up, chopped his wife into 224 pieces, paid a friend £50 to dump the bags and he gets 19 years finny!! Where is the justice in this case?
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He hasn't been given 19 years. You clearly have no grasp of how life sentences with time served before being eligible for parole works
 
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