Kieran Scott on Twe12th Man Podcast.

Jonny Ingbar said:
Found his comments about Hull interesting, echoing comments on here about really pushing their finances, including the signing of Giles on a permanent.

I think there could be trouble ahead under PSR, if they don't go up this season.
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absolutely, they way it works with a 3 year window and amortisatino on purchases, actually promotes a culture of gambling. If you.

Hull made good money in Lewis-potter a couple of years ago, about 18m I think, that gives them a big FFP boost, But, they've gone all in an committed much of that that headroom in this seasons spend on very expensive loans, and signings. They probably expect that they can do or die next season, if not then Greaves will be sold to keep within FFP
 
I like Scott, I think he's doing a good job.

Not all his signings will work, but when do they all work? But so far, he's signing players who are likely to improve us and/or likely to be sold for higher money.

He always comes across well in interviews and doesn't shy away from the awkward questions.
 
Our summer activity was great.

Injuries have shafted us this season, big style, but the money we spent in the summer has pretty much already been recouped on Rogers and we all know Rav is very very likely to bring in a 8 figure sum too.

How anyone can criticise the summer transfer window is mind boggling.

Yes, a few signings are duds. Glover and Gilbert seem to be...but the majority have either been a good/great signing or are still a work in progress.
 
BoroMart said:
Silvera cheap squad option
Engel hot and cold
Gilbert development player
Lath injured

Rogers - great business
Dieng - great signing
Van Den Berg great signing
glover steady second choice

be fair man
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Silvera is Banana Boots.
Engel is awful and targeted every match.
Someone has switched the light on in Gilbert’s development room.
Lath is a headless chicken and waste of £5m.

I’ve repeatedly applauded Rogers, Dieng and VdB.
I don’t rate Glover.
I have been fair.
I want every player who signs and pulls our shirt on to do well, improve and make us or save us money and prove value for money.
 
indeedido said:
Silvera is Banana Boots.
Engel is awful and targeted every match.
Someone has switched the light on in Gilbert’s development room.
Lath is a headless chicken and waste of £5m.

I’ve repeatedly applauded Rogers, Dieng and VdB.
I don’t rate Glover.
I have been fair.
I want every player who signs and pulls our shirt on to do well, improve and make us or save us money and prove value for money.
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'banana boots'? He's a developing player, he's stopped trying to dribble past everyone, and is learning, it's a huge step up for him and he's still adjusting.

Engel, he isn't 'awful' he has his faults though. You were barking on yesterday about Coburn playing in all our wins.....but Engel did too.

Gilbert might not make it

Lath, far from it, I think it was 4m not 5, and he's got a goal every other start. He's outscored your man Coburn in terms of goals per minute and total goals. top scorer despite only starting 12 games through injuries

If you are being fair then the worst you can say is that it's financially going to be quite profitably when Rav is inevitably sold
 
think Engel is a liability overall ... has some decent moments and can hit a good run on pass now and again but not consistent enough.
 
BoroMart said:
Silvera cheap squad option
Engel hot and cold
Gilbert development player
Lath injured

Rogers - great business
Dieng - great signing
Van Den Berg great signing
glover steady second choice

be fair man
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I don't get the support he gets. We've not made any real forwards progress since he took over, despite having a better manager. We've got a squad that is basically on par with what we had when he took over and all the money he has spent has been brought in by selling players that were already here. We finished 10th with 64 points the season before he joined and we're currently 12th, on course for 65 points. He can definitely talk the talk and he has some convinced but "being fair" he's achieved **** all.

Marvanelli said:
Our summer activity was great.
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It definitely wasn't. Do you not remember our worst start to a league campaign for 30 years? We had no injuries then. Our summer business, just as the year before, left us massively unprepared going into the season. Whether you think the players we signed were great or not (I happen to think "jury is still out" on most of them isn't the best indicator of great) is almost irrelevant when it puts us in an almost impossible position to compete for promotion.
 
Nano said:
It definitely wasn't. Do you not remember our worst start to a league campaign for 30 years?
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Yes I do, and some of them games we were unlucky.

As with a new squad, with a lot of turnover, a slow start was expected. A slow start is not what we wanted, but we had just lost Steffen, Akpom, Archer, Ramsey & Giles, and replaced them with Latte, Rogers, Greenwood, Engel, Rav & Dieng.

A full new spine pretty much.

It was always going to take us a little time to gel and get going.

The summer window could have been better as we are still short in the Striker department, but we done well - as proven with the big sale of Rogers only 6 months later.

Our scouting and transfers under Scott have been largely a success.
 
He’s open and honest. That’s to his credit. For years we had silence, only hearing from the chairman when we’d either reached another relative nadir or when more season tickets needed shifting. I like that Scott is out there and talking about what the club wants to do and how it works.

I also think that a lot of people on here are showing more patience with this team because there is a plan. The recruitment shows joined up thinking, the coach and his staff are onboard, we have a defined way of playing. This means that at there’s something to look to when results aren’t necessarily what we want them to be. They are all building and planning towards a common goal. In the past it’s been a free for all, chucking money here there and everywhere. Managers signing a dozen players and then being sacked.

I sort of see a bit of why some people are negative towards things but personally I don’t subscribe to it. I’m broadly enjoying what we’re doing. I love this coach and the way we play, we have some really good players and we have one or two absolute gems. I think we’re looking up rather than down and I’m prepared to be patient while this coach develops his team and those within it.
 
Nano said:
I don't get the support he gets. We've not made any real forwards progress since he took over, despite having a better manager. We've got a squad that is basically on par with what we had when he took over and all the money he has spent has been brought in by selling players that were already here. We finished 10th with 64 points the season before he joined and we're currently 12th, on course for 65 points. He can definitely talk the talk and he has some convinced but "being fair" he's achieved **** all.


It definitely wasn't. Do you not remember our worst start to a league campaign for 30 years? We had no injuries then. Our summer business, just as the year before, left us massively unprepared going into the season. Whether you think the players we signed were great or not (I happen to think "jury is still out" on most of them isn't the best indicator of great) is almost irrelevant when it puts us in an almost impossible position to compete for promotion.
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The squad age is much lower. I'd argue better in quite a few positions

pre-KS GK: Archer, Stojanovic, Pears
Now: Dieng, Glover, Jones

Pears was very young and inexperienced, and we never really wanted to sell, but yes, we are in a better place now


pre-KS: FB: Dijksteel, Fisher, Bola, Marvin Johnson, Coulson, Spence
Now: Smith, Dijksteel, Engel, Bangura, Coulson

Better now, although the Smith injury has weakened us and we need to fill that in the summer as unlikely he'll be back the player he was

pre-KS CBs: Fry, McNair, Hall, Wood
Now: Fry, McNair, Clarke, Rav, Lenihan

Clearly better now. Although a gap will emerge when McNair leaves But McNair was on silly money, so will be a big FFP win to get him out.

pre-KS CM: Howson, Tavernier, Saville, Wing
CM: Hackney, Howson, Barlaser

About the same, Howson has deteriorated, Hackney and Tav about the same, Barlaser better than Saville and Wing.

pre-KS Wide and 10: Bolasie, Browne, Folarin, Jones, Mendez-Laing,
Wide and 10: Azaz, Jones, McGree, Silvera, Crooks, Forss, Gilbert

Again, clearly much better now


pre-KS CF: Britt, Fletcher, Akpom, Watmore
CF: Lath, Hoppe, Coburn

Better depth in the pre-KS days, but that forward 4 cost an absolute fortune in FFP terms and got the grand total of 20 league goals between them that season. Despite injuries and playing Greenwood and Rogers at CF, our remaingin two main strikers have got 10 league goals, add in Rogers 2 from playing up top and they are on a par with what the expensive pre-KS strikeforce did. We had more depth under KS, but no more quality. We paid about 10m a year FFP for the pre-KS strikeforce
we are paying about 3m for this equally average strike force. So financially it's better. Still needs strengthening though.

So yeah, we are arguably in a better position with the squad today than when Scott took over. Younger squad, better quality in most areas, and less rediculous contracts in place.
 
Marvanelli said:
Yes I do, and some of them games we were unlucky.

As with a new squad, with a lot of turnover, a slow start was expected. A slow start is not what we wanted, but we had just lost Steffen, Akpom, Archer, Ramsey & Giles, and replaced them with Latte, Rogers, Greenwood, Engel, Rav & Dieng.

A full new spine pretty much.

It was always going to take us a little time to gel and get going.

The summer window could have been better as we are still short in the Striker department, but we done well - as proven with the big sale of Rogers only 6 months later.

Our scouting and transfers under Scott have been largely a success.
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That wasn't an accident though. Nobody stole our players and we were left with a spine to replace. The recruitment team planned that. The summer isn't an isolated thing. They filled the spine of the team with loan players who had to go back and then sold our best player. That's not something they had to deal with, it's on them.

Last season we had no striker, evidenced by playing Crooks as a striker, and had to bring Archer in on loan. We needed more than one striker but we bought only one. Unsurprisingly, we've been without a striker for large chunks of the season because our one striker hasn't been available and neither has the back-up development player we were left with that we wanted to send out on loan but couldn't because we didn't sign the players we need. No worries, we can sign one in January when it's already too late but no, that's been and gone and we still don't have a striker. It's not even that we don't have a good enough striker. We don't have a striker at all. It's dreadful planning and it's a waste of a season.

We also didn't replace Akpom, the 28 goal championship player of the year and our 1st choice in that position is now Matt Crooks. They've been trying to replace Howson for at least 3 years and have yet to identify a midfielder better than a now 36 year old. How can that be?

Going back another year, Wilder had asked for specific things and we know he was a bellend but he was the manager and the recruitment team failed him. We started last season without the players we needed and Scott is just incredibly fortunate that Akpom turned into the best player in the championship overnight and Hackney made the step up into the 1st team so brilliantly otherwise we'd have been nowhere near the playoffs and there would have been questions starting to be asked.
 
BoroMart said:
The squad age is much lower. I'd argue better in quite a few positions

pre-KS GK: Archer, Stojanovic, Pears
Now: Dieng, Glover, Jones

Pears was very young and inexperienced, and we never really wanted to sell, but yes, we are in a better place now


pre-KS: FB: Dijksteel, Fisher, Bola, Marvin Johnson, Coulson, Spence
Now: Smith, Dijksteel, Engel, Bangura, Coulson

Better now, although the Smith injury has weakened us and we need to fill that in the summer as unlikely he'll be back the player he was

pre-KS CBs: Fry, McNair, Hall, Wood
Now: Fry, McNair, Clarke, Rav, Lenihan

Clearly better now. Although a gap will emerge when McNair leaves But McNair was on silly money, so will be a big FFP win to get him out.

pre-KS CM: Howson, Tavernier, Saville, Wing
CM: Hackney, Howson, Barlaser

About the same, Howson has deteriorated, Hackney and Tav about the same, Barlaser better than Saville and Wing.

pre-KS Wide and 10: Bolasie, Browne, Folarin, Jones, Mendez-Laing,
Wide and 10: Azaz, Jones, McGree, Silvera, Crooks, Forss, Gilbert

Again, clearly much better now


pre-KS CF: Britt, Fletcher, Akpom, Watmore
CF: Lath, Hoppe, Coburn

Better depth in the pre-KS days, but that forward 4 cost an absolute fortune in FFP terms and got the grand total of 20 league goals between them that season. Despite injuries and playing Greenwood and Rogers at CF, our remaingin two main strikers have got 10 league goals, add in Rogers 2 from playing up top and they are on a par with what the expensive pre-KS strikeforce did. We had more depth under KS, but no more quality. We paid about 10m a year FFP for the pre-KS strikeforce
we are paying about 3m for this equally average strike force. So financially it's better. Still needs strengthening though.

So yeah, we are arguably in a better position with the squad today than when Scott took over. Younger squad, better quality in most areas, and less rediculous contracts in place.
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I'd disagree with all of those except for GK which has been a clear improvement.

Full backs included a player that we sold for "up to £20m". Nobody is interested in our full backs now, not even us.

CBs are a slight improvement but we'd have been just as well keeping Wood so giving him away for buttons isn't a ringing endorsement.

Midfielders we had Howson and Tav, we have Howson who is old and Hackney (not a KS buy) so weaker overall because of Howson's age. Barlaser is no better than Saville or Wing and we'd make no significant profit if we tried to sell.

Wide and 10 are slightly better but only because they were really dreadful back then. Akpom belongs here but you've moved him to make your categories look more even. Akpom was head and shoulders above anyone else on either list. The best player you have included is Jones who was already here. Forss who was signed as striker and now can't get a game up top even when we have no other striker which can't be classed as a win for the recruitment team. McGree was never signed as a winger either. He was a CM that has been fortunate that we've changed formation because he isn't capable of playing CM. Crooks was pre KS.

Strikers were expensive rubbish and now they are cheap rubbish. The important bit is that they are rubbish.
 
I don't think we can give a settled view on our summer activity because of the number of injuries we've had. I know every club has had an uptick in injuries but ours have been absurd.
There is some stuff you can definitely say for the summer.
Permanents
Dieng - excellent. He was already a top class championship keeper so identifying him was the easy bit.
Engel - divides opinion. I go back and forth between ok and terrible.
Glover - better than I expected. Decent back-up and will probably end up as a jobbing Championship keeper.
Gilbert - has to be judged a failure but not one that has damaged us. Disappointing though.
RVDB - excellent. Premier league player in the making.
Rogers - was developing really well. Excellent in terms of profit but would rather have kept him if at all possible.
Silvera - somewhere between poor & ok as a back-up. Possibly end up top of League one/bottom end of Championship player.
Latte Lath - injured too often to judge. 3 goals in his last 6 games before latest injury implied that maybe he was getting to grips with the league. Could go either way at this point.
Bangura - injured too often to judge.

Loans
Greenwood - Feels like he could still click but seems to have gone backwards after a bright start.
O'Brien - presumably still a top class Championship midfielder.
 
Bruce said:
I don't think we can give a settled view on our summer activity because of the number of injuries we've had. I know every club has had an uptick in injuries but ours have been absurd.
There is some stuff you can definitely say for the summer.
Permanents
Dieng - excellent. He was already a top class championship keeper so identifying him was the easy bit.
Engel - divides opinion. I go back and forth between ok and terrible.
Glover - better than I expected. Decent back-up and will probably end up as a jobbing Championship keeper.
Gilbert - has to be judged a failure but not one that has damaged us. Disappointing though.
RVDB - excellent. Premier league player in the making.
Rogers - was developing really well. Excellent in terms of profit but would rather have kept him if at all possible.
Silvera - somewhere between poor & ok as a back-up. Possibly end up top of League one/bottom end of Championship player.
Latte Lath - injured too often to judge. 3 goals in his last 6 games before latest injury implied that maybe he was getting to grips with the league. Could go either way at this point.
Bangura - injured too often to judge.

Loans
Greenwood - Feels like he could still click but seems to have gone backwards after a bright start.
O'Brien - presumably still a top class Championship midfielder.
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Add J Jones - pointless.
Ayling - unfortunate that Dijksteel and Smith have been simultaneously injured. Really hope he doesn't sign permanently, unless Smith leaves.
Thomas - the need for him is a massive head scratcher given Coulson got a new deal and they signed both Engel and Bangura in August.
Azaz - has had two successive stinkers, but does need time.
 
indeedido said:
Add J Jones - pointless.
Ayling - unfortunate that Dijksteel and Smith have been simultaneously injured. Really hope he doesn't sign permanently, unless Smith leaves.
Thomas - the need for him is a massive head scratcher given Coulson got a new deal and they signed both Engel and Bangura in August.
Azaz - has had two successive stinkers, but does need time.
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I was only looking at the summer signings.
J Jones has been a perfectly fine 3rd keeper signing. Seems to be what everyone does these days. Our keepers unit seems to be the best it's been in a while.

Does remind me that of course there are also some other elements to look at.
Bola out, Coulson in. Seems a head scratcher but looks like pure financial engineering. Bola will have generated a small profit to offset against new signings. Coulson cost nothing.

I rate Bola higher than most do but his inability to stay fit meant it made sense to take whatever we could. Of course, given this year's injuries, he would have fitted right in. Overall, I think we messed up with our left backs. Wouldn't mind betting that we're hoping we can buy Thomas then sell the rest.
 
indeedido said:
Add J Jones - pointless.
Ayling - unfortunate that Dijksteel and Smith have been simultaneously injured. Really hope he doesn't sign permanently, unless Smith leaves.
Thomas - the need for him is a massive head scratcher given Coulson got a new deal and they signed both Engel and Bangura in August.
Azaz - has had two successive stinkers, but does need time.
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Having Jones allows the two younger goalkeepers to go out and play senior football on loan.
Ayling wouldn’t have been signed if Smith had been fit.
Thomas is cover for Bangura, and can also play midfield.
Coulson was presumably given a deal so he had a chance to prove himself to a new coach, and so we didn’t lose him for free. If he moves for a ‘nominal’ fee a la Kavangh then it all goes back into the accounts for FFP etc. Anything we make on him is ‘pure profit’ as they say now.
Azaz - far too early to say.
 
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