Electric cars to cost more to run then petrol/ diesel cars

Andy_W said:
Air source heat pumps aren't a bad idea, they will end up being a good idea once we completely get rid of gas.

Solar won't heat homes in winter though, it won't kick out enough juice, so I suppose we need a balance of Wind, Grid Solar, Home Solar, Nuclear and then people running their CH from electric sources, rather than Gas (which we largely don't own).
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agreed on ASHPs, but I think solar is a better investment for the government right now.

Solar will give about 20% output in summer, but obv without batteries you will not get as much daylight to use it.
 
Went from Kent to Durham at the weekend. £11 charging at home that gave me 290miles-ish. Topped up at Grantham and scotch corner and then at Grantham on the way back which cost me about £100 in total, got about 500 miles for that. So right now it's pretty expensive long range, but anything that doesn't need a supercharger top up is damned cheap.
 
BoroMart said:
Went from Kent to Durham at the weekend. £11 charging at home that gave me 290miles-ish. Topped up at Grantham and scotch corner and then at Grantham on the way back which cost me about £100 in total, got about 500 miles for that. So right now it's pretty expensive long range, but anything that doesn't need a supercharger top up is damned cheap.
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Yep it seems if you are fortunate to have a home charger for overnight charging it’s good. If you haven’t then it’s not. Our plans to get a fully electric car have been put on hold.
 
Where will the electricity to supply 26 million vehicles come from? The grid is already on the brink of collapse with only a few tens of thousands EVs on the road.
 
ThePrisoner said:
Where will the electricity to supply 26 million vehicles come from? The grid is already on the brink of collapse with only a few tens of thousands EVs on the road.
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No it isn't. The cost is increasing through other factors, but it's not on the brink of collapse due to electric vehicle demand.

We DO need a strategic rethink of our electric generation in this country. A hybrid solution of solar, wind, tidal, nuclear and a reduced dependance on oil/gas
 
BoroMart said:
No it isn't. The cost is increasing through other factors, but it's not on the brink of collapse due to electric vehicle demand.
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But it will be when millions of EVs are sucking it dry. It will need an order of magnitude increase in capacity. Is it really feasible?
 
That data for that article was probably calculated before the £ crashed against the $ so petrol prices will be going up again making EV charging cheaper (y)
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
Yep it seems if you are fortunate to have a home charger for overnight charging it’s good. If you haven’t then it’s not. Our plans to get a fully electric car have been put on hold.
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Not quite true. I no longer have a home charger and it’s still cheaper than ICE. I would wager not a single EV owner charges exclusively at rapid chargers. These fud, anti EV studies are always heavily weighted against the EV in whatever way possible. I remember the study from America which laughably added lost man hours to the cost, as if we all just sit there staring at our cars (mine is on a cheap ac charger as we speak and I’m now where near it)

The problem is people actually believe and repeat these
 
ThePrisoner said:
Where will the electricity to supply 26 million vehicles come from? The grid is already on the brink of collapse with only a few tens of thousands EVs on the road.
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It isn’t , and this myth has been busted by the national grid themselves. Yet the lie still gets repeated.
 
SmallTown said:
Not quite true. I no longer have a home charger and it’s still cheaper than ICE. I would wager not a single EV owner charges exclusively at rapid chargers. These fud, anti EV studies are always heavily weighted against the EV in whatever way possible. I remember the study from America which laughably added lost man hours to the cost, as if we all just sit there staring at our cars (mine is on a cheap ac charger as we speak and I’m now where near it)

The problem is people actually believe and repeat these
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Now then
Just taken delivery of mine and can charge at home
About to make a long trip at the weekend which will require re-charging en route.
Wouldn’t mind the benefit of your experience - any advice appreciated
Ta
 
1finny said:
Now then
Just taken delivery of mine and can charge at home
About to make a long trip at the weekend which will require re-charging en route.
Wouldn’t mind the benefit of your experience - any advice appreciated
Ta
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Sure. Not sure what car it is you have but the most efficient way of charging en route is to let the battery round down to below 10%. Every car will have a better charging curve at low %ages so it'll be quicker to get to the charge you need to complete your journey.
If you can: map your journey beforehand. Two apps I find essential are "a better route planner" which will allow you to plan a journey specific to your cars range and charge curve and zap map which will tell you where chargers are and availability.

When charging at home, set the car or charger up so it completes charging jsut before you set off. Making the battery warmer and more efficient to start with. Also if your car has the feature, set the cabin to your desired temperature before you go, again to avoid using the battery to heat or cool the cabin.

As for which motorway chargers to use, I'm not that sure. I'm kind of Tesla spoilt so mainly super charge. But for all EV Rugby is such a superb hub if you are going down the M1 or bottom of M6. It has a lot of chargers.
 
ThePrisoner said:
Where will the electricity to supply 26 million vehicles come from? The grid is already on the brink of collapse with only a few tens of thousands EVs on the road.
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The fun part is actually having more EVs is one of the solutions to the problem. With large quantities of battery storage sat on people's drives connected to the smart grid, there's a lot of battery storage that can then be utilised to help with managing the gaps between demand and generation.
 
m3t4tr0n said:
The fun part is actually having more EVs is one of the solutions to the problem. With large quantities of battery storage sat on people's drives connected to the smart grid, there's a lot of battery storage that can then be utilised to help with managing with gaps between demand and generation.
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Thorny issue that isn’t it. I imagine vehicle to grid technology to balance the grid will be strongly resisted as people won’t want to give their charge back. But, it is a neat solution to the real energy issue. We have the capacity to meet demand, no worries. Having the capacity to meet peak demand, at peak demand time, is the issue. Hence using peoples cars to dump back into the grid at peak demand time and then charging them again when demand is low. It’s very clever but I reckon people just won’t like the idea of giving back energy
 
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