Middlesbrough recruit Head of Scouting from Crystal Palace.

indeedido said:
Me too Viv. He's been here a year, we've recruited fifteen underwhelming players and gone from 6th to 22nd.
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We weren’t sixth when he was appointed.

This thread sums some Boro fans up IMO. Complain about recruitment not being good enough. Club appoint new scout. Same people moan that it’s too late. I mean, FFS.

As I said elsewhere, it’s almost as if the club has a plan that extends beyond 10 games or 6 months…

If you’ve lost faith in it then fair enough, I can’t change your mind. But sometimes I wonder why people watch the Boro. Not you specifically Indeedido, just generally on here. People just moan and moan. A 2-0 win should’ve been 3, a 1-0 win was lucky, the opposition win 1-0 and we were lucky it wasn’t 3, we score with a deflection and we were lucky, their striker scores with a deflection and, well, they all count. We do well and it’s a poor league, etc. On and on.

We need a director of football. No, not him. Him. No, the other one. We need better scouts. No, not those ones. The recruitment staff are sh*t. Yeah but they signed Muniz, didn’t they? Yes, well, we don’t know. But why isn’t Hoppe playing? I thought out recruitment team was sh*t? Erm. I mean, yeah but something else, something… something.

Roll on the next two weeks of this.
 
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viv_andersons_nana said:
We weren’t sixth when he was appointed.

This thread sums some Boro fans up IMO. Complain about recruitment not being good enough. Club appoint new scout. Same people moan that it’s too late. I mean, FFS.

As I said elsewhere, it’s almost as if the club has a plan that extends beyond 10 games or 6 months…

If you’ve lost faith in it then fair enough, I can’t change your mind. But sometimes I wonder why people watch the Boro. Not you specifically Indeedido, just generally on here. People just moan and moan. A 2-0 win should’ve been 3, a 1-0 win was lucky, the opposition win 1-0 and we were lucky it wasn’t 3, we score with a deflection and we were lucky, their striker scores with a deflection and, well, they all count. We do well and it’s a poor league, etc. On and on.

We need a director of football. No, not him. Him. No, the other one. We need better scouts. No, not those ones. The recruitment staff are sh*t. Yeah but they signed Muniz, didn’t they? Yes, well, we don’t know. But why isn’t Hoppe playing? I thought out recruitment team was sh*t? Erm. I mean, yeah but something else, something… something.

Roll on the next two weeks of this.
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Recruitment has been dreadful for years. Why wait till after yet another wasted window to appoint a head scout?

Should Scott have had this covered?

Did he fail in doing so?
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
We weren’t sixth when he was appointed.

This thread sums some Boro fans up IMO. Complain about recruitment not being good enough. Club appoint new scout. Same people moan that it’s too late. I mean, FFS.

As I said elsewhere, it’s almost as if the club has a plan that extends beyond 10 games or 6 months…

If you’ve lost faith in it then fair enough, I can’t change your mind. But sometimes I wonder why people watch the Boro. Not you specifically Indeedido, just generally on here. People just moan and moan. A 2-0 win should’ve been 3, a 1-0 win was lucky, the opposition win 1-0 and we were lucky it wasn’t 3, we score with a deflection and we were lucky, their striker scores with a deflection and, well, they all count. We do well and it’s a poor league, etc. On and on.

We need a director of football. No, not him. Him. No, the other one. We need better scouts. No, not those ones. The recruitment staff are sh*t. Yeah but they signed Muniz, didn’t they? Yes, well, we don’t know. But why isn’t Hoppe playing? I thought out recruitment team was sh*t? Erm. I mean, yeah but something else, something… something.

Roll on the next two weeks of this.
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These are the people who moaned during the Karanka play off season and promotion season. They moaned during the season we finished 7th in the premier league under McLaren. We even had some idiot throw his season ticket at McLaren 3 months before we played in a European cup final. We have the thickest bunch of 'fans' in the world.
 
Kelloe said:
These are the people who moaned during the Karanka play off season and promotion season. They moaned during the season we finished 7th in the premier league under McLaren. We even had some idiot throw his season ticket at McLaren 3 months before we played in a European cup final. We have the thickest bunch of 'fans' in the world.
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Coming from you that's rich.
How on earth do you know who moaned in the Karanka play off season and that they also moaned when finishing 7th under Mac? And it was just one person who chucked his ticket at McLaren as I recall.
I loved Karanka and McLaren's time. That doesn't mean I can't think Gibson has been awful since 2006; or that I am a lesser Boro fan than you for thinking so.
 
Kelloe said:
These are the people who moaned during the Karanka play off season and promotion season. They moaned during the season we finished 7th in the premier league under McLaren. We even had some idiot throw his season ticket at McLaren 3 months before we played in a European cup final. We have the thickest bunch of 'fans' in the world.
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That season was pretty shocking until they season ticket throwing incident. He probably deserves some credit because it all turned around from there.
 
Nano said:
That season was pretty shocking until they season ticket throwing incident. He probably deserves some credit because it all turned around from there.
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It wasn't a shocking season, we had a shocking 2 months Dec and Jan, but we had been been very good before that. We really do have fans who like to paint everything as awful all the time even when it wasn't.

Drew with Liverpool, won 3-0 away to Birmingham (the viduka game), beat Arsenal at home, villa away, Fulham and Palace at home, and of course absolutely battered a brilliant Man Utd side 4-1, Rio told me he hated playing at the Riverside that was one of the toughest games of his life. We were on 23 points after 15 games. 5 UEFA cup games unbeaten with 5 cleansheets, and had beaten two good sides in the league cup.

It fell apart in Dec/Jan we had a terrible run, but we also had a massive injury crisis - Boateng, Ehiogu, Southgate, Schwarzer, Viduka, Haaselbaink all had injuries over that period.....6 of the best players we've ever had. Fans got frustrated, because we should have put up a better showing in those months, but it was a real and painful injury crisis.
 
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BoroMart said:
It wasn't a shocking season, we had a shocking 2 months Dec and Jan, but we had been been very good before that. We really do have fans who like to paint everything as awful all the time even when it wasn't.

Drew with Liverpool, won 3-0 away to Birmingham (the viduka game), beat Arsenal at home, villa away, Fulham and Palace at home, and of course absolutely battered a brilliant Man Utd side 4-1, Rio told me he hated playing at the Riverside that was one of the toughest games of his life. We were on 23 points after 15 games. 5 UEFA cup games unbeaten with 5 cleansheets, and had beaten two good sides in the league cup.

It fell apart in Dec/Jan we had a terrible run, but we also had a massive injury crisis - Boateng, Ehiogu, Southgate, Schwarzer, Viduka, Haaselbaink all had injuries over that period.....6 of the best players we've ever had. Fans got frustrated, because we should have put up a better showing in those months, but it was a real and painful injury crisis.
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Nah, we had odd games where we were good but in general we had been way below expectations. Remember, this was the season after our best ever league position so expectations were very high. Beating good teams and losing to terrible ones was more frustrating than of we had just beaten the fodder and lost to the big teams.

By the time we played Villa in February we had only won 6 games in 24 league games, 1 in the last 10 including a 7-0 against Arsenal.

Nobody was expecting us to do what we did in the cups at that point. We hadn't beaten anyone of note in the UEFA Cup by that point, think Stuttgart was soon after.

Villa were an average team so to be so comfortably beaten at home was a breaking point.
 
Presumably it’ll be Jones’ job to see if he can get 10% of the fee back for selling any of Kieran Scott’s signings?

Would bite someone’s hand off for 200k for either of payero, forss, sideways mcgree or Matthew floppy.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
Given we bid 5 million for Greaves and 7 million + for Larsen, on top of the money spent for Hoppe and Forss, I don’t think it was half his budget. I also don’t think it’s completely unreasonable for the club to be buying potential while still trying to buy the strikers Wilder wanted. (Muniz, Larsen, Riis).
Unfortunately those deals didn’t come off, but it’s no secret that we did put money on the table for them, and we did have money in the bank. I very much doubt it was ever a case of Larsen/Riis OR two development strikers. We know we were in for three + Muniz. What’s the club supposed to do? What’s wilder supposed to do? ‘Hi Chris, we are going to get Muniz + one other big money striker out of this list here….. We can also buy these two who we believe have big potential for the near future. Is that ok?’
‘No. I don’t want them. If you buy them I’ll not play them. Get me the main striker and ditch the other 2.’
Or
‘Fine, but I really want this guy if we can make it happen. The other 2 will be a bit down the pecking order at the start of the season but will be good to have them options as they develop through the season’

Is that really such a stretch? That wilder was happy to have them both as 3rd,4th, even 5th choice? But the club let him down not getting the other striker in. Doesn’t mean he didn’t have some say in Hoppe and Forss and wasn’t happy to have them.
Of course if they were bought in and Wilder said he didn’t want them, then that’s bad from the club, but just because one isn’t featuring in the squad frequently YET doesn’t mean that’s the case. We always jump to the most negative, critical position to attack the club. Sometimes they can’t win.
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Now will you stop this, just stop it. That's 3 posts in a row where you have talked nothing but common sense. We can't be having anything like that on a Boro forum thank you. It's doom and gloom and the sky's falling in or go somewhere else with that kinda talk...
 
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