Sunak's windfall tax and grants

Marvanelli said:
Less fortunate then myself? What on earth are you going on about?

Like I said and I'll repeat. There'll be some who receive the £400 that is supposed to go on bills, but for one reason or another will use that money elsewhere, when it isn't for that purpose.

If you genuinely believe everyone will use that £400 towards their energy bills, then I'm sorry but you're deluded.
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How do you think this £400 is been delivered?
 
Marvanelli said:
Less fortunate then myself? What on earth are you going on about?

Like I said and I'll repeat. There'll be some who receive the £400 that is supposed to go on bills, but for one reason or another will use that money elsewhere, when it isn't for that purpose.

If you genuinely believe everyone will use that £400 towards their energy bills, then I'm sorry but you're deluded.
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What part aren't you understanding? The £400 isn't being paid in cash, it's coming off bills directly. How on earth can someone misuse money they will never actually have in their bank account?!
 
zzzzz said:
Why are you being so aggressive?
Can you not debate without constantly flinging accusations?
We all try and be nice on here as a rule. Try it please.
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No, I see you and you're not getting away with that. Your passive aggressive attitude towards the poor is way, way worse than me directly calling you out about it.

There's nothing 'nice' about being a judgemental twvt towards the poor.
 
Trug said:
Would you Omega? Would you like to stand in a queue at the checkout and pay for your food in vouchers in full view of other customers. Would you like to pay over the odds for your groceries as the shop would not be allowed to give cash as change and certainly would not have denominations of vouchers. Would you like to be told what you could and could not buy with your vouchers. Some unscrupulous shops would put up their prices for voucher payers.
The cost to the shop would go up due to extra administration, resulting in many shops refusing to take vouchers.
I know all this because this is what happened to asylum seekers when they were paid in vouchers. They were only allowed to buy the most basics of food. They were not allowed alcohol, tobacco, sweets, snack foods, female hygiene products, razors. This is the reason they are now paid in cash.
So wo would you really like to see those conditions forced upon you and be humiliated not once or twice but every week until you could find a job.
And as I said earlier, a lot of people are completely unemployable for many reasons not of their own making.
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No it would not bother me if my child was getting fed and not going hungry. I would do anything and go hungry for my kids. Let’s not give vouchers then give people a debit card. I do not remember saying you can not buy alcohol but to be honest if I had very little to spend alcohol would not be on my shopping list as well as cigarettes as I could use that money for better things
 
Omega said:
No it would not bother me if my child was getting fed and not going hungry. I would do anything and go hungry for my kids. Let’s not give vouchers then give people a debit card. I do not remember saying you can not buy alcohol but to be honest if I had very little to spend alcohol would not be on my shopping list as well as cigarettes as I could use that money for better things
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What actual problem are you trying to solve with your whole debit card / voucher scheme ?
 
My mate has a £3m house in Islington and a £2m one in Yorkshire.
He gets £400 rebate for each property.

Great use of taxpayers money

Fortunately he has already found a way to do some good with the £800.
Most won’t tho
 
Omega said:
No it would not bother me if my child was getting fed and not going hungry. I would do anything and go hungry for my kids. Let’s not give vouchers then give people a debit card. I do not remember saying you can not buy alcohol but to be honest if I had very little to spend alcohol would not be on my shopping list as well as cigarettes as I could use that money for better things
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No, how about we just stop spouting lazy Daily Mail stereotypes and support people with a proper amount to live on and allow them to live their lives as they see fit.
 
zzzzz said:
Off you go again. Have a debate and disagree by all means but try and do it without insults.
It's what we do here.
You'd get your point across much better.
And you'd feel better about yourself. Try it. 😁 (y)
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Nope. I'm sick to the back teeth of Tories and how they treat the poor. You want a civilised discussion, behave like a real person. With empathy and compassion. And not like the 'I'm alright Jack' type you so clearly are.
 
1finny said:
My mate has a £3m house in Islington and a £2m one in Yorkshire.
He gets £400 rebate for each property.

Great use of taxpayers money

Fortunately he has already found a way to do some good with the £800.
Most won’t tho
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Rishi Sunak has 3 houses, and so will receive £1200 from his own scheme. He reckon's he's going to give it to charity though....
 
sherlock1969 said:
No, how about we just stop spouting lazy Daily Mail stereotypes and support people with a proper amount to live on and allow them to live their lives as they see fit.
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Daily mail never bought it. Let them live life as they see fit ????
 
sherlock1969 said:
Nope. I'm sick to the back teeth of Tories and how they treat the poor. You want a civilised discussion, behave like a real person. With empathy and compassion. And not like the 'I'm alright Jack' type you so clearly are.
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If you were of any consequence I'd take great offence at that but you're not so I won't.
I hope your life improves so that you can get away from trolling and on to better things.
But for now for your sake I'll put you on ignore. 😁 (y)
 
zzzzz said:
If you were of any consequence I'd take great offence at that but you're not so I won't.
I hope your life improves so that you can get away from trolling and on to better things.
But for now for your sake I'll put you on ignore. 😁 (y)
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If only all Tories would disappear so readily...
 
Vouchers etc cause embarrassment and shame for people using them. The majority of these people can manage their money so why do people feel the need to lecture people on how to manage money by claiming vouchers would help?

You really need to take a look at yourself if you are preaching to the poor that they can only be trusted with direct energy credits / vouchers. What next? Give them ration books?

And for those who still think they know better here is what a 1 minute google shows:


And if you can't be bothered reading it I will quote part of the conclusion: "These results provide strong evidence that concerns that transfers will be used on alcohol and tobacco are unfounded"

This study is a worldwide one. I think the Trussell Trust did a UK one finding the exact same outcome. But to those who think vouchers are the way forward just ignore it and continue the stereotypes (y)
 
Omega said:
I truly feel sorry for the person you are talking about but are you trying to say they all have these type of issues. I have said you can claim for two years then vouchers not saying let people starve but If you want to interpret it that way. I personally would not care which way the help was given to me should I need it just happy that I was helped
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Not everyone has been raped but most people I come into contact with who some on here would describe as lazy and needing to get a job have some kind of issue preventing this, be it an invisible disability or some kind of educational / mental health problem. Unless you are delving into these peoples medical / social histories (like I have to) you would never know.

What is staggering is how many people who work full time need food banks etc. I see that all day every day at work. It blows your mind and makes you think what kind of country do we actually live in.
 
Omega said:
No it would not bother me if my child was getting fed and not going hungry. I would do anything and go hungry for my kids. Let’s not give vouchers then give people a debit card. I do not remember saying you can not buy alcohol but to be honest if I had very little to spend alcohol would not be on my shopping list as well as cigarettes as I could use that money for better things
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The fact that you have paid tax in all its various forms, and national insurance and would be happy to receive vouchers for help seems strange to me. Did you pay your tax in vouchers? Would HMRC accept vouchers? Then why should anyone else? And having paid a lot of tax over the years you would be happy to have very little to spend when really someone should be receiving enough money to live on with dignity and have nothing to be ashamed of. After all, that person has contributed to the system as has everyone else. It doesn't need to be a lot of money but enough to pay bills, buy food for the family, heat the home and not have to use foodbanks.
Giving someone a debit card seems a good idea on the surface but what if the person does not have a bank account? If they are homeless what do they do for proof of address? Proof of identity? Who would open that account? How much would that account cost to run and who pays for it? Banks are businesses not charities. What is to stop the card holder buying his/her food then selling it for drugs/alcohol. What then would have been achieved? I'll tell you what- nothing, absolutely nothing, zilch, nowt. But there would be an increase in the cost of bureaucracy.
 
Trug said:
The fact that you have paid tax in all its various forms, and national insurance and would be happy to receive vouchers for help seems strange to me. Did you pay your tax in vouchers? Would HMRC accept vouchers? Then why should anyone else? And having paid a lot of tax over the years you would be happy to have very little to spend when really someone should be receiving enough money to live on with dignity and have nothing to be ashamed of. After all, that person has contributed to the system as has everyone else. It doesn't need to be a lot of money but enough to pay bills, buy food for the family, heat the home and not have to use foodbanks.
Giving someone a debit card seems a good idea on the surface but what if the person does not have a bank account? If they are homeless what do they do for proof of address? Proof of identity? Who would open that account? How much would that account cost to run and who pays for it? Banks are businesses not charities. What is to stop the card holder buying his/her food then selling it for drugs/alcohol. What then would have been achieved? I'll tell you what- nothing, absolutely nothing, zilch, nowt. But there would be an increase in the cost of bureaucracy.
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Well said.
 
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