BaronSmoggie
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Ah, he means Cummings, gotcha.
SPecial ADvisor. Such as: someone who believe in eugenics, and thinks his own lockdown rules don't apply to him.What's a SPAD?
Haven’t you actually looked at any of the data and reasoning behind the EU and US food standards? It is not primarily about animal welfare it is about what poor animal welfare can result in for the consumer, which is the impact on their health. Washing a dead chicken in chlorine does nothing for the health of a dead chicken, does it? So why undertake a costly procedure? It is to try and make the product safe for consumption. It is largely effective, but not as safe as chicken produced to EU standards.
The EU imports chickens from all over the world once the production procedures of that country have been assessed to meet EU health and welfare standards. Salmonella rates will not be higher. These EU regulations are for the benefit of the consumer, and the welfare of the animals.Lefty, you use a lot of words but you don't make any points. US chicken is as safe as UK/EU chicken. The EU imports chicken from all over the world and some of those nations have lower welfare standards than the US but don't chlorine wash and so salmonella rates are possibly higher. The fact is that it sounds bad and it is a consequence of Brexit so is automatically bad but the outcome is the same. The EU regulations are mostly protectionist and deliver no benefit to the consumer. If chlorine was an expensive process that did nothing than the Americans would have cut it out of the process to save costs. Also, if chlorine wash was a process that was bad for us then the EU would have stopped us using it to wash fruit and veg but as it is perfectly safe and doesn't affect the flavour in any way it is approved.
So what's the problem, other than it is a consequence of Brexit? You could argue that our farmers can't compete on price with the US produced chicken but I seriously doubt that they can produce and export chickens and get them on our shelves for less than the £3 it costs for a whole chicken now anyway but even if they can that means cheaper meat = better for the consumer. Animal welfare concerns are valid but that doesn't seem to be an issue for you.
You seem very concerned that we should be importing US chicken Mike.Lefty, you use a lot of words but you don't make any points. US chicken is as safe as UK/EU chicken. The EU imports chicken from all over the world and some of those nations have lower welfare standards than the US but don't chlorine wash and so salmonella rates are possibly higher. The fact is that it sounds bad and it is a consequence of Brexit so is automatically bad but the outcome is the same. The EU regulations are mostly protectionist and deliver no benefit to the consumer. If chlorine was an expensive process that did nothing than the Americans would have cut it out of the process to save costs. Also, if chlorine wash was a process that was bad for us then the EU would have stopped us using it to wash fruit and veg but as it is perfectly safe and doesn't affect the flavour in any way it is approved.
So what's the problem, other than it is a consequence of Brexit? You could argue that our farmers can't compete on price with the US produced chicken but I seriously doubt that they can produce and export chickens and get them on our shelves for less than the £3 it costs for a whole chicken now anyway but even if they can that means cheaper meat = better for the consumer. Animal welfare concerns are valid but that doesn't seem to be an issue for you.
Apart form the last comment. It's hard to disagree with this. We are a little behind the US on the divided, destroyed nation but with the current government in charge we are on the same path.chlorinated chicken? Watching Trump sending soldiers to beat and shoot rubber bullets at peaceful protesters so that he can have his photo taken in front of a church, if that doesn't frighten people in this country about having a mutually beneficial relationship with America, then people need to wake the hell up before it's too late. The guy is a lunatic, and he will bully and beat down to the nth degree for his own gain. Cummings and his links with Russia, Trump and his Russian links, western democracy is taking an absolute battering right now. It's crumbling.
I'll go vegetarian rather than eat that muck by the way.
You could use the phrase "i can't believe anybody was naive enough..." about so many pro brexit lies it's ridiculous.The pay off for freedom to negotiate our own import and export arrangements is that to sell to other countries you have to also buy from them. Some of these countries won’t have standards at a level we are used to and previously through European laws legislated for. I can’t believe anybody was naive enough to think leaving the EU wouldn’t have exposed us to a huge lowering of standards in the quality of imports. It was laid pretty bare during the debates on Brexit.
The EU imports chickens from all over the world once the production procedures of that country have been assessed to meet EU health and welfare standards. Salmonella rates will not be higher. These EU regulations are for the benefit of the consumer, and the welfare of the animals.
US do this procedure so they can save money not doing the job properly, with lower health and welfare standards.
You seem very concerned that we should be importing US chicken Mike.
In my job its a very bad thing.What's a SPAD?
Europe imports close to 900,000 tonnes of poultry meat every year from third countries. That compares with the import of beef, about 300,000 tonnes, and pork at around 20,000 tonnes. Ms Steenberg added: “With additional imported quantities, we will import the equivalent of German or French chicken meat production. So why is the EU so ready to chuck out our chicken? “Over the past 20 years the EU poultry meat sector has made huge efforts to implement stronger policies on animal welfare, food safety and environment. “With the Mercosur deal the EU Commission is basically saying our efforts were useless. We are fine with importing poultry meat with lower standards from third countries.
https://www.poultryworld.net/Health...rmers-fear-new-poultry-market-access-457251E/
Brazil sent one million salmonella infected chickens to the UK in two years
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...l-one-million-salmonella-infected-chickens-uk
Not at all. I just recognise it for what it is; an anti-Brexit scare story.
A dyslexic potatoWhat's a SPAD?
I think Mike knows that.It really isn't, its a real concern to a lot of people. You can eat meat and still care about the animals welfare.
Chlorine washing is done because the welfare standards are lower and the animals are housed in appalling conditions.
I suppose if you want you can turn it into a Brexit story.
The discussion seems to be there are lots of chickens around the world bred in appalling conditions. Because of that - what is the difference with chlorine wash?
The answer is absolutely nothing if you don’t give a stuff about animal welfare.
And, lets face it the vast majority of you don’t.
It will be on the shelf and it will be cheap (excuse the pun).
Which supermarkets will stock it? Those that need to appeal to low affluent customers.
One supermarket chain won’t touch it - The Co-op. They are the only one to commit to British meat and poultry in all their own label products including sandwiches, quiches and pies.