QT from Liverpool last night

Glover_elbow said:
i cant stand the liverpool football club, but the liverpudlians i have encountered have all been decent people. I wish our region was so vociferous about injustice, and regional disparity. Its the armchair fans liverpool fans from places like milton keynes i have no time for.
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Exactly the same as me, I even quite like Klopp and his response to the booing as well as his wider comments around socialism and healthcare etc.

However Home Counties Liverpool "fans" can do one, some of the most entitled set of people I've ever met.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
Exactly the same as me, I even quite like Klopp and his response to the booing as well as his wider comments around socialism and healthcare etc.

However Home Counties Liverpool "fans" can do one, some of the most entitled set of people I've ever met.
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It's one thing that's sets Man City aside from the Liverpool's, Man Utds etc - their fanbase (currently.......) is made up of Mancunians, or first/second generation Mancunians, not some randoms from Surrey who have jumped on the success train. This will change if their success continues, but at present the % of plastics and tagnuts is small.
Scouse Liverpool fans are alright......only issue I have with them is its difficult to have any football related conversation with them that doesn't revolve around all things Liverpool......gets very boring very quickly........
 
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Caretaker1 said:
A howl against poverty .
Those howling paid substantial amounts for tickets and travel to Wembley .
They don't do irony then.
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So a few thousand paying for tickets cant voice an opinion on the thousands living in poverty in their city plus millions in the rest of the UK?

Might surprise you that you dont have to be in poverty yourself to express anger at conditions millions in the UK are living in
 
Caretaker1 said:
A howl against poverty .
Those howling paid substantial amounts for tickets and travel to Wembley .
They don't do irony then.
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Ah the familiar cry of "hypocrite" when anyone who has a few quid wants the same opportunity for others.

It is a stupid repeated mantra of Murdoch and the Tories and a perfect demonstration of the attitude of too many "boomers" who made a few quid because of the opportunities fought for by their parents and grandparents that they will now merrily deny to their children. Beneath contempt.
 
Good on Liverpool fans I reckon. Why shouldn't they use the National platform to demonstrate their dislike for the Tories and establishment in general. Liverpool has not one single Tory Counsellor or MP as a consequence of Thatcher's ideology towards their city. The Sun isn't bought as a consequence of their lies after Hillsborough.

I personally find it more embarrassing that places on Teesside now have MP's from a party that since 2010 has deliberately implemented policies that impacted lots of people on Teesside is a really bad way. At least Scousers remember their history, know who they are and where they come from.

As an aside. I know a few Scouse Liverpool fans and most a great lads.
 
I'm a scouser. I support Boro because my Dad's from Teesside, but I'm still scouse through and through.

It amazes me to hear Boro fans slag off scousers, because the two communities are so alike. Rich history, vibrant culture, coastal communities that have always look out across the world rather than inward, passionate local pride, ripped apart by the death of traditional industries, dragged themselves back up, constantly the butt of outdated bigotted jokes from the rest of the country...

I guess it just shows how powerful the divide & conquer approach from Thatcher, Murdoch, Dacre, etc has been, that even people who claim to despise them will still parrot their words.
 
I find Liverpudlians a strange bunch - sometimes they seem the kindest and warm hearted people about and five minutes later they've nicked your telly.

I heard a story that a Blind College/School in Worcester took their new minibus to a Liverpool home game and it was nicked during the game in the 1990s and never found.
 
clay said:
I'm a scouser. I support Boro because my Dad's from Teesside, but I'm still scouse through and through.

It amazes me to hear Boro fans slag off scousers, because the two communities are so alike. Rich history, vibrant culture, coastal communities that have always look out across the world rather than inward, passionate local pride, ripped apart by the death of traditional industries, dragged themselves back up, constantly the butt of outdated bigotted jokes from the rest of the country...

I guess it just shows how powerful the divide & conquer approach from Thatcher, Murdoch, Dacre, etc has been, that even people who claim to despise them will still parrot their words.
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great post... very good observation....
 
clay said:
I'm a scouser. I support Boro because my Dad's from Teesside, but I'm still scouse through and through.

It amazes me to hear Boro fans slag off scousers, because the two communities are so alike. Rich history, vibrant culture, coastal communities that have always look out across the world rather than inward, passionate local pride, ripped apart by the death of traditional industries, dragged themselves back up, constantly the butt of outdated bigotted jokes from the rest of the country...

I guess it just shows how powerful the divide & conquer approach from Thatcher, Murdoch, Dacre, etc has been, that even people who claim to despise them will still parrot their words.
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I’m not slagging them off I’m saying it’s not just them as they seem to think that’s it’s only them.

when in reality Teesside has been hit just as if not harder.
 
clay said:
I'm a scouser. I support Boro because my Dad's from Teesside, but I'm still scouse through and through.

It amazes me to hear Boro fans slag off scousers, because the two communities are so alike. Rich history, vibrant culture, coastal communities that have always look out across the world rather than inward, passionate local pride, ripped apart by the death of traditional industries, dragged themselves back up, constantly the butt of outdated bigotted jokes from the rest of the country...

I guess it just shows how powerful the divide & conquer approach from Thatcher, Murdoch, Dacre, etc has been, that even people who claim to despise them will still parrot their words.
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There is a similarity, I would add love of sport, rich breeding grounds for music and comedy, working class culture. Shared Irish immigration. Both areas have seen better days economically and suffered high unemployment.

Liverpool has more history and bigger connection with the sea, while Teesside had more heavy industry and grew more quickly. Liverpool is a bit more confident of itself and is still a central City, while Teesside is more spread out and less well known. Liverpool has a bit of history for eccentrics.

Some say a culture of of easy come easy go mixed in with fraud developed when lots of Irish rural immigrants passed through Liverpool and were easy pickings for the rogue element.

Ref Thatcher and Murdoch - I think they disliked anybody who stood up to them, not just people from Liverpool - I am sure they hated Arthur Scargill and he was from Barnsley. They hated most Trade Unions as they proably saw them as a threat.
 
Jedi boro said:
I’m not slagging them off I’m saying it’s not just them as they seem to think that’s it’s only them.

when in reality Teesside has been hit just as if not harder.
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Hillsborough and the aftermath of that has cast a very heavy & dark shadow over the city of Liverpool and feeds into the disassociation with Westminster, plus the historical and recent actions of the Tory party, Thatcher and even the newspaper articles penned by the current Prime Minister slagging off the people without any understanding of the reasons whatsoever. I think it will be a long time before Liverpool has a Tory MP, and yet Boro and other northern cities voted them in. So, although there are similarities between 'Boro and Liverpool, there is also a different mindset - and perhaps differences of opinion on Brexit and Labors approach to that play into this (believe me I don't want this to turn into a thread about Brexit, but it is a factor in the current governments divide and conquer rule).
 
Ref Trade Unions and baby boomers

I am later boomer and I belonged to trade unions most of my working life, but my parents generation (born 1930s) were less interested is my experience. I am not a end of 1940s boomer but I know they used to like protesting in the late 1960s, more so than the 20 year olds of today.

There are some children of Thatcher or a touch of those born in the late 1960s, but its not dominant, its often your general up bringing, personality and social background that forms your outlook at life, not the age to which you were born - in my humble opinion.
 
Liverpool and Brexit

It was interesting how Lpool voted remain - Lpool is probably with Sheffield and Glasgow the most left wing areas of the UK. The policy of the Labour Party was very much vote Remain. Another factor to me was that every UK major city voted remain. I count Liverpool as a major city. Major cities in recent years have tended to do well economically, but the large towns less so particularly in the North.
 
Redwurzel said:
The policy of the Labour Party was very much vote Remain
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No it wasn’t Corbyn was a leave supporter and has been a very open critic of the eu and all supra national organisations.

look up lexit as he only came over reluctantly at the end and then it was largely a token gesture.
 
It was largely tied up in his hatred of nato.

From the independent


Jeremy Corbyn warned about the threat of "a European empire" and said the EUwas creating "a military Frankenstein", a video has revealed.

In a tirade against a key EU treaty in 2009, the now Labour leader urged people in Ireland to vote against moves towards further European integration and criticised the influence of the Natomilitary alliance.
 
Redwurzel said:
Liverpool and Brexit

It was interesting how Lpool voted remain - Lpool is probably with Sheffield and Glasgow the most left wing areas of the UK. The policy of the Labour Party was very much vote Remain. Another factor to me was that every UK major city voted remain. I count Liverpool as a major city. Major cities in recent years have tended to do well economically, but the large towns less so particularly in the North.
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Two main reasons why Liverpool voted Remain:

First, we know that the European Parliament cares more about us that the British Parliament, so we know who are friends are. As a nation we may well have put more money into the EU than we got out (sorry, not trying to open that debate again!) but Liverpool almost certainly made a profit out of it, with EU funding pouring into our most deprived wards. Central government give us nothing.

Second, nobody here reads The Sun, so we've had a couple of decades without their immigrant bashing and other anti-EU rhetoric.
 
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