Well surely Capybara the publication of such tables are utterly pointless and childish, together with the defence of their suppositions?
Preston last won the league in 1890 and last won the FA Cup in 1938 - before any of us were even bornGenuinely not understanding the backlash.
It's a simple list of the 6 teams in each division that have won the most trophies.
Like it or not, those 6 teams have been more successful than Middlesbrough because they've won more.
Arguing about recency doesn't really help either.
Birmingham and Swansea have both won something more recently than we have and would be on that list before us.
We're not Mackems, there's no need to try and use attendances and mid-table top flight finishes as proof that we're actually massive.
Preston last won the league in 1890 and last won the FA Cup in 1938 - before any of us were even born
But their history marks them out as a bigger club that Stoke, Derby, us?
Absolute tosh!
The meme wasn't labelled as most successful. It was labelled as biggest. So I guess that is the problemIt's a simple list of the 6 teams in each division that have won the most trophies.
The key words there are "if" and "success".Why is it?
Without listing attendances or mid-table finishes, why is that tosh?
Success is measured in trophies, they are more successful than us.
If the list is based on success, they are rightly above us on it.
A more attractive wife?So. What does 'bigness' get you exactly?
Its the same as saying the Italian Army is more successful than the Americans coz the Romans conquered more territory!Why is it?
Without listing attendances or mid-table finishes, why is that tosh?
Success is measured in trophies, they are more successful than us.
If the list is based on success, they are rightly above us on it.
The key words there are "if" and "success".
I think others have put forward other criteria and have suggested timeframes are important too.
Historical attendances, Historical league standings are no more 'tosh" than who won the FA Cup in the 19th century.
I have lots of respect for Preston, they have a proud history, but it is ancient. They actually had to seek re-election to the Football League in 1986. They were already two divisions below our low point. They've spent over half of the last 50 years in the bottom two leagues.
I doubt anybody outside Preston would seriously include them on this strange list.
Preston and Huddersfield were important clubs when we had an empire, but not at all since then.
There is no way Preston are bigger better more illustrious or whatever you want to call it than us.It's not a strange list.
It's a very simple and accurate list with a clear criteria.
The thing people are taking issue with is the use of the word "Biggest", which is an arbitrary term without a clear definition.
If we were to use all time average attendances, we are 2nd biggest in the Championship.
If we were to use an all time top flight points total, we're the 5th biggest in the Championship and there are 3 teams in League One that are bigger than us.
But both of those data points are also relying on "ancient history" to keep us afloat on those tallies.
We've spent 61 seasons in the top flight, 46 of them were before I was born, so clearly they don't count by the logic used by some on here.
Only 4 teams currently in the Championship have won a trophy since I was born.
Nottingham Forest haven't achieved a single thing since I was born in 1992, I doubt any person would argue that Swansea are a bigger club because they've won something whilst I was alive, they're not, but that's largely because the middle aged and older posters on here won't see something that happened 42 years ago as ancient history, despite it being just as irrelevant to today's standings.
I'm sure many will be the same posters that will rightly argue that football started before the Premier League.
History is history, recent or not.
Btw how the hell are Preston on there??
If it’s for their illustrious history then fine so why aren’t Blackpool added then.
exactly this. To use a single statistic to prove something beyond that statistic is a really poor direction to takehistorical trophies won is just one factor you can use to argue what determines the size of a club. Using it as the only factor is a bit silly.