Should NATO send troops to help Ukraine?

Should NATO send troops to help Ukraine?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 22.7%

  • No

    Votes: 85 77.3%
  • Total voters
    110
DrummerMan said:
Not necessarily - cyber attacks could easily make nukes useless - but then again, the Russia system is probably analog
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You do know Russia spent the last years few upgrading their missiles system so it’s us that are the analogue ones as they have state of the art hypersonic missilles

Btw we don’t.
 
As much as it pains me to say I agree with David Davis on this, a no fly zone implemented by NATO makes sense, however, that could antagonise the situation.

It is a tricky one, fundamentally though we are a protectorate of Ukraine, we should be doing more, NATO and the EU courted the Ukraine to an extent too, we need to stand by them and if that means air support or eventually boots on the ground I think NATO should act if needed.
 
Steve8778 said:
I ate military food in a camp just outside of tiblisi, everything tastes like sambuca
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I like some Russian food from years of having to eat it, it’s not gonna win many awards but it’s simple and does the trick, but when done bad it’s awful, a bit like British food I guess. Some dishes are pure evil, herring in a fur coat, urgh.
Proper Georgian food is absolutely fantastic, a lot of Persian and Middle Eastern influence, I missed it when I left Kazakhstan and I’ll miss it again when I leave Moscow.
 
Smoggle said:
I like some Russian food from years of having to eat it, it’s not gonna win many awards but it’s simple and does the trick, but when done bad it’s awful, a bit like British food I guess. Some dishes are pure evil, herring in a fur coat, urgh.
Proper Georgian food is absolutely fantastic, a lot of Persian and Middle Eastern influence, I missed it when I left Kazakhstan and I’ll miss it again when I leave Moscow.
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Some of the nicest food I've ever eaten was in Iraq, it was the sharing plate and everyone grabbing the rice with their hands that put me off
 
So basically because an evil lunatic, only short of a stupid moustache, threatens to use evil force we do nothing.

My dad fought throughout WW2 and was always ashamed that we never helped the Jews.

What if Putin decided the UK is next, do we not fight back because he makes the same threat.

We should be actively helping a decent nation.
 
I get the fear of this escalating, but does anyone believe this is the end of Russia's aggression, land grabbing, poisoning of foreigners, cyber attacks, propaganda in foreign elections etc.

At some point you have to take a stance. we didn't when Hitler started to land grab, and eventually it led to a weaker alliance against him as Polish, French, Dutch, Belgium armies had all been routed. Failure to take some form of stance, not a military strike, but a bare minimum, providing weapons to the Ukrainians, a no fly zone, zero tolerance for further incursions, and massively increasing the armament at the borders is required.
 
Same_as_before said:
So basically because an evil lunatic, only short of a stupid moustache, threatens to use evil force we do nothing.
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I repeat. Putin can be defeated without the use of force.
Through real sanctions, cutting them off from all financial markets, destroying their IT systems by hacking and internationally ostracising them the Russians themselves will soon turn on him.
 
zzzzz said:
I repeat. Putin can be defeated without the use of force.
Through real sanctions, cutting them off from all financial markets, destroying their IT systems by hacking and internationally ostracising them the Russians themselves will soon turn on him.
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Nope, sanctions are a like picking a scab. Putin is having no problems selling gas.

The reality is that we don't care.
 
BoroMart said:
I get the fear of this escalating, but does anyone believe this is the end of Russia's aggression, land grabbing, poisoning of foreigners, cyber attacks, propaganda in foreign elections etc.

At some point you have to take a stance. we didn't when Hitler started to land grab, and eventually it led to a weaker alliance against him as Polish, French, Dutch, Belgium armies had all been routed. Failure to take some form of stance, not a military strike, but a bare minimum, providing weapons to the Ukrainians, a no fly zone, zero tolerance for further incursions, and massively increasing the armament at the borders is required.
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I think there are (fairly subtle) differences though.

For Hitler, some of it was about territorial gains previously lost but this quickly morphed into "living space", effectively taking any land he could through force. Now obviously no one is 100% clear on Putin's objectives, most commentators feel they're related to the old soviet union. As such, I can see incursions in the Baltics but Germany, France, Belgium etc? Unlikely I think.
 
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