Kurt Zouma using his cat as a football

I just have a feeling this poster is playing a game with a cause-celebre. He had done it before with defending the behaviour of the England fans storming Wembley at the Euro Final and with the lengths to which he banged on about the Warnock sacking and how injuries prevented his success. And with this thread he picks a topic against the general tide of opinion and takes the opposite view - I bet his favourite film is 12 Angry Men.

I don’t know if he really means what he says frankly or he is just bored.
I do really mean what I say in respect to Kurt Zouma there has been an over reaction. He’s been given the 2nd biggest fine in the history of sports for doing anything and it still isn’t enough.

Worse than racism, homophobia, assault etc?

This isn’t the worst thing to happen in the whole of sports history and it shouldn’t be treated as such.
 
I do really mean what I say in respect to Kurt Zouma there has been an over reaction. He’s been given the 2nd biggest fine in the history of sports for doing anything and it still isn’t enough.

Worse than racism, homophobia, assault etc?

This isn’t the worst thing to happen in the whole of sports history and it shouldn’t be treated as such.
He’s been fined two weeks wages, the reason it’s the ‘2nd biggest fine’ is because his wage is so high, that doesn’t make him a victim.
 
I do really mean what I say in respect to Kurt Zouma there has been an over reaction. He’s been given the 2nd biggest fine in the history of sports for doing anything and it still isn’t enough.

Worse than racism, homophobia, assault etc?

This isn’t the worst thing to happen in the whole of sports history and it shouldn’t be treated as such.
Not only is this completely incorrect, it's such a stupid argument. He was fined 2 weeks wages, he's on a lot of money, that's how it works.

It's like I said to you yesterday, you cannot compare fines/suspensions across different clubs/brands, it is a really dumb thing to do.

Now if the FA had recently fined someone £50k for proven racism and then fined Zouma £250k you would have a point but as it stands the FA have done nothing to Zouma while they have fined people like John Terry in the past so your point is completely destroyed.
 
Not only is this completely incorrect, it's such a stupid argument. He was fined 2 weeks wages, he's on a lot of money, that's how it works.

It's like I said to you yesterday, you cannot compare fines/suspensions across different clubs/brands, it is a really dumb thing to do.

Now if the FA had recently fined someone £50k for proven racism and then fined Zouma £250k you would have a point but as it stands the FA have done nothing to Zouma while they have fined people like John Terry in the past so your point is completely destroyed.
It's a really dumb thing to do to compare fines and punishments for offenses?

The FA fined John Terry £220,000 for racially abusing QPR defender Anton Ferdinand.

West Ham fined Kurt Zouma £250,000 for him slapping a cat.

It's the biggest fine in world football ever, infact the only fine in SPORTS HISTORY that tops it is Mike Tyson's $3m for biting the top of Evander Hollyfield's ear off.
(that was 10% of the $30m fight purse he was offered to fight Holyfield)

How much did Man Utd fine Mason Greenwood? Zilch, Nada, Nothing.

What he did was wrong, but the punishment is disproportionate. People are STILL not happy MORE! MORE! MORE!

It's embarrassing, and sad to see how blinkered folks are, how polarised everything has become. I've said he should be fined and have the RSPCA investigate (which has happened) yet I'm an idiot, a drug taker, have issues at home.. because I'm not jumping on coming up with more extreme ways in which he should be punished.

It's absolutely crackers Chris Kirkland saying it was worse than racism and no one pulled him up on it! We've turned into some sort of nation of jerry springer whoop whooping, fox news sensationalists. Nodding dogs to the right wing tabloid press.
 
It's a really dumb thing to do to compare fines and punishments for offenses?
Across different clubs/sports/brands? Yes absolutely, it is ridiculously dumb. If I get sacked at my job, I can't go and look at another company and compare what I got sacked for to something that another person didn't get sacked for. However if I did the exact same thing as someone else within the same company and I got sacked but they didn't, then it's an issue. Otherwise why stop at sports? Why not expand to everything?

It's the biggest fine in world football ever, infact the only fine in SPORTS HISTORY that tops it is Mike Tyson's $3m for biting the top of Evander Hollyfield's ear off.
(that was 10% of the $30m fight purse he was offered to fight Holyfield)
Took 2 minutes to find this is absolutely incorrect and more nonsense you're spouting, Tevez was fined 4 weeks wages which was £1m for disobeying Mancini at City. Back then were you screaming that City fined him more than John Terry got fined for racism? Tevez got fined 4 times more for ignoring a human than Zouma did for abusing a cat, disgrace! Where are West Ham's morals? We can all play these absolutely irrelevant games.

I believe you're fighting the correct fight you're just doing it in an unbelievably stupid and quite honestly, highly irritating manner.
 
they can't yet as that would infer guilt and create an issue for the prosecution case
Nike have dropped their sponsorship deal with him, without compensation. He's been suspended by Manchester United and will not train or play for the club until further notice.. but no fine.
 
The FA fined John Terry £220,000 for racially abusing QPR defender Anton Ferdinand.

West Ham fined Kurt Zouma £250,000 for him slapping a cat.
In real terms Terry's fine was more, it's the equiv of 270k, however football inflation wise it's probably even bigger. Zouma's fine had to be by his club and limited to 2 weeks wages.

The FA fined Terry as it happened on the pitch, the shameful thing was that Chelsea didn't fine him when found guilty. I suspect that the FA expected chelsea to take further action that didn't happen. Chelseas failure to act condoned racism as a club.

Not that I think there should be any comparison in what these people were fined for two completely separate issues a decade apart. They should both have very stiff penalties.
 
I do really mean what I say in respect to Kurt Zouma there has been an over reaction.
you may feel it's an over reaction, but it's not your role to decide how others should feel.

My personal view is he's a coward, a bully, a scumbag, and not someone I would want anywhere near my club, regardless how good a player he is. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few CFs leaving a bit on him in future and fully deserved
 
Across different clubs/sports/brands? Yes absolutely, it is ridiculously dumb. If I get sacked at my job, I can't go and look at another company and compare what I got sacked for to something that another person didn't get sacked for. However if I did the exact same thing as someone else within the same company and I got sacked but they didn't, then it's an issue. Otherwise why stop at sports? Why not expand to everything?


Took 2 minutes to find this is absolutely incorrect and more nonsense you're spouting, Tevez was fined 4 weeks wages which was £1m for disobeying Mancini at City. Back then were you screaming that City fined him more than John Terry got fined for racism? Tevez got fined 4 times more for ignoring a human than Zouma did for abusing a cat, disgrace! Where are West Ham's morals? We can all play these absolutely irrelevant games.

I believe you're fighting the correct fight you're just doing it in an unbelievably stupid and quite honestly, highly irritating manner.

I didn't know Tevez was fined £1m. I googled the biggest fines in football and in sports history and it didn't come up. The point still stands it's a HUGE FINE

"I believe you're fighting the correct fight" - interesting, it's almost like the penny is starting to drop and you have come to your senses a bit.
In real terms Terry's fine was more, it's the equiv of 270k,
Well.. thank goodness for that! (Pretty desperate)

you may feel it's an over reaction, but it's not your role to decide how others should feel.

My personal view is he's a coward, a bully, a scumbag, and not someone I would want anywhere near my club, regardless how good a player he is. I wouldn't be surprised to see a few CFs leaving a bit on him in future and fully deserved
Your personal view should not supersede what is right and just in the eyes of the law. The punishment should fit the crime, I don't think violence is the answer here, but I would fully expect folks to hold some thug in high regard and commend their actions should that happen to 'leave a bit on him in future' I hope it's not one of our players.. I would much rather see our energies be put into beating West Ham rather than risking a suspension or committing assault.

I've made my point, it's a valid point. I'm not a lunatic drug head idiot. I don't think I need to keep repeating myself here.
 
John Terry was fined 220k in 2012, internet says his salary back then was 6m so therefore was a proportionally much larger fine of his salary than Zouma before even factoring in inflation
 
Well.. thank goodness for that! (Pretty desperate)
it's not desperate, it's accurate or if you want to be all defensive rather than debate honestly call it pedantic

Your personal view should not supersede what is right and just in the eyes of the law. The punishment should fit the crime
This isn't about the law, the law will do as it sees fit, this is about footballing ethics and morals

I don't think violence is the answer here,
Probably not, I'm just highlighting there are a lot of animal lovers, it's an emotive subject, his behaviour has left him open to a lifetime of on and off the pitch issues, and that's on him. He'll get no sympathy from me. Has the man even get up and apologised for his behaviour in front of the media? No

I've made my point, it's a valid point.
You have, it's a messageboard people can make their own minds up and have their own say if they feel it's valid. That's how it works.
 
I love animals, and I’ve had numerous pets which have been a part of the family, but I’d be a complete hypocrite to say I think an animals life is of equal importance to me as that of a human, and I think anyone who is not a vegan would be equally hypocritical to make that claim. But I can guarantee you up and down the country there will have been people pontificating about how Zouma should literally be strung up whilst stuffing their faces with meat produced at battery farms where animals are treat a thousand times worse than Kurt Zouma‘s cat.
Quite right. And yes, I am a vegan.
 
...and so the debate widens and gets muddied rather than sticking to the facts which are that an adult millionaire, beats his defenseless pet animals up for sh!ts and giggles

Everything else is just noise in this debate, every last bit of it about racism, and veganism and value of human life vs animal life.

He beats up animals for fun, that's the story.
 
...and so the debate widens and gets muddied rather than sticking to the facts which are that an adult millionaire, beats his defenseless pet animals up for sh!ts and giggles

Everything else is just noise in this debate, every last bit of it about racism, and veganism and value of human life vs animal life.

He beats up animals for fun, that's the story.
Agreed. But to widen and (occasionally) muddy the debate is one of the primary functions (and joys) of this board.
 
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