Covid: No plans for October lockdown, says government

Been vaccinated twice. Keep up JM.

What is it you do for a living out of curiosity? Do you have kids?
First you said you wore masks, distanced etc but now you're saying you continued as normal, cant do both can you?


Regardless, its usually those who like to tell everyone they did nothing who then twist about continuing restrictions, and don't seem able to work out why its still happening.....
 
Been vaccinated twice. Keep up JM.

What is it you do for a living out of curiosity? Do you have kids?
Always be wary of a man on the internet who asks what you do for a lving "out of curiousity"

Admiral Akbar would have something to say about that.
 
So that means we'll be having one then?


This really annoys me - it's like everything this Government touches - mess it up and then take action that should have been done in the first place to resolve it.

I'm fortunate that the lockdown won't really affect me but we surely can't going back to lockdowns now most of us are vaccinated? I despair. I really feel for those who will be affected.
I think on this occasion the Government will stick to its promise.

It‘ll be November and 3 weeks too late.
 
Everyone is going to get covid multiple times in their lifetime.
There's no way to know that. It's possible but it's also conceivable that it won't happen. Despite the lower efficacy with Delta, it's still only some vaccinated people that get breakthrough infections - it's not everyone.

Unless there's a new variant that causes infection in 100% of those vaccinated or unless the vaccines lose all efficacy over time (which again we just don't know) it's still possible that some people will retain enough immunity to protect them. In addition to that there's the possibility of booster shots and/or modified vaccines.

Maybe everyone will get it eventually - but maybe not.
 
First you said you wore masks, distanced etc but now you're saying you continued as normal, cant do both can you?


Regardless, its usually those who like to tell everyone they did nothing who then twist about continuing restrictions, and don't seem able to work out why its still happening.....
Well I don't wear masks anymore no unless asked to.
A good idea would be for the NHS and the government to get it's **** together but that ain't happening is it?
 
Well I don't wear masks anymore no unless asked to.
A good idea would be for the NHS and the government to get it's **** together but that ain't happening is it?

No so couple that with selfish folk who won’t do the most basic of things to help and you end up in lockdown.
 
People are talking about the vaccines as being the way out while never actually mentioning that as yet, we have no idea at what threshold we will reach herd immunity, if at all.
If you take something like measles which is particularly virulent then you need over 90% vaccinated to stop outbreaks. Given that Covid has mutated multiple times already and we've only just developed the various vaccines then it is not inconceivable that we may not achieve herd immunity in the near future. Now that is not me being paranoid, just me being realistic and accepting that putting all our eggs in the vaccine basket might not work out and acknowledging that we need a broader strategy.
I'd love to know the proportions of positive tests in relation to vaccine status as well.
 
Well I don't wear masks anymore no unless asked to.
A good idea would be for the NHS and the government to get it's **** together but that ain't happening is it?

Basically not doing basic things to protect others and stop cases increasing then? If only people would take responsibility we would be in a much better place. We can blame the government all we want but this is simple stuff and also personal responsibility

If by get its **** together you mean reverse 10 years underfunding then that might be a start, but its hardly going to happen overnight. Widespread covid once again means thousands of deaths but also likely stop most other treatments on the NHS all winter once again, expect that will be a key reason for the next inevitable lockdown
 
Lordy this place is hilarious.

You all slag off the government literally every day yet blindly agree with every measure they've taken through this pandemic.
 
Lordy this place is hilarious.

You all slag off the government literally every day yet blindly agree with every measure they've taken through this pandemic.
Just nonsense. Do you read the board? This government has bungled almost every aspect of the response to this pandemic and is called out daily for that and for using the pandemic to cover a heist.
 
Lordy this place is hilarious.

You all slag off the government literally every day yet blindly agree with every measure they've taken through this pandemic.
I'll say it again, this isn't a political issue, it's one of public health.
If you think acknowledging that lockdown was the only solution we initially had to curb the spread of the virus and save thousands of lives is blindly agreeing with a government who failed to close our borders, allowed massive sporting events to continue despite being forewarned by what had happened in China, the far East and southern Europe then you are wrong.
If you think accepting that another lockdown might be necessary to drive down case numbers that the government have failed miserably to control by not implementing some soft measures alongside the vaccine rollout then you are wrong again.
I'll also add that many of these government measures that we are so blindly agreeing with have been acknowledged by many of us as being far to late in their implementation. Good public health practice involves foresight, without it any measures implemented are often useless.
 
I'll say it again, this isn't a political issue, it's one of public health.
If you think acknowledging that lockdown was the only solution we initially had to curb the spread of the virus and save thousands of lives is blindly agreeing with a government who failed to close our borders, allowed massive sporting events to continue despite being forewarned by what had happened in China, the far East and southern Europe then you are wrong.
If you think accepting that another lockdown might be necessary to drive down case numbers that the government have failed miserably to control by not implementing some soft measures alongside the vaccine rollout then you are wrong again.
I'll also add that many of these government measures that we are so blindly agreeing with have been acknowledged by many of us as being far to late in their implementation. Good public health practice involves foresight, without it any measures implemented are often useless.
Exactly this.
 
I'll say it again, this isn't a political issue, it's one of public health.
If you think acknowledging that lockdown was the only solution we initially had to curb the spread of the virus and save thousands of lives is blindly agreeing with a government who failed to close our borders, allowed massive sporting events to continue despite being forewarned by what had happened in China, the far East and southern Europe then you are wrong.
If you think accepting that another lockdown might be necessary to drive down case numbers that the government have failed miserably to control by not implementing some soft measures alongside the vaccine rollout then you are wrong again.
I'll also add that many of these government measures that we are so blindly agreeing with have been acknowledged by many of us as being far to late in their implementation. Good public health practice involves foresight, without it any measures implemented are often useless.
How many other countries around the world are currently considering a lockdown other than New Zealand and Australia.

All another lockdown will do is pause the inevitable. As witnessed over the past few months.
 
I'll say it again, this isn't a political issue, it's one of public health.
If you think acknowledging that lockdown was the only solution we initially had to curb the spread of the virus and save thousands of lives is blindly agreeing with a government who failed to close our borders, allowed massive sporting events to continue despite being forewarned by what had happened in China, the far East and southern Europe then you are wrong.
If you think accepting that another lockdown might be necessary to drive down case numbers that the government have failed miserably to control by not implementing some soft measures alongside the vaccine rollout then you are wrong again.
I'll also add that many of these government measures that we are so blindly agreeing with have been acknowledged by many of us as being far to late in their implementation. Good public health practice involves foresight, without it any measures implemented are often useless.
In a nutshell. (y)
 
We didn’t overwhelm the hospitals when we had 0% vaccinated so how are we going to do it with 70% jabbed?
Unless the vaccine isn’t all it’s cracked up to be
 
How many other countries around the world are currently considering a lockdown other than New Zealand and Australia.

All another lockdown will do is pause the inevitable. As witnessed over the past few months.
Have a mooch over to the worldometer site and see how many active cases we have compared to say France who have a similar population. At 1.2m active cases it's an order of 4 times higher than France. Unless we do something to address that number then lockdown might be the only option to arrest it, however temporary that is.
 
Have a mooch over to the worldometer site and see how many active cases we have compared to say France who have a similar population. At 1.2m active cases it's an order of 4 times higher than France. Unless we do something to address that number then lockdown might be the only option to arrest it, however temporary that is.
Lockdown is fine for those working for government or NHS or working from home.

**** everyone else though.

Good thing I'm in the pub tonight. If the behavioural scientists and medical professionals had their way they'd all be shutdown for good. They've already killed off enough "non essential" businesses, may aswell kill them all off. 😎🙃

Lockdown 🤣🤣🤣
 



I want to explain here why that is a preposterous idea, entirely unsupportable by any analysis.

First let’s be clear on the current situation. There are about 800 hospitalisations per day in England. That compares with around 1,600 hospitals and an average of roughly 100 beds per hospital. So at present there is less than one hospitalisation per day per hospital occurring for covid. That did not swamp the NHS this summer. Neither did it come anywhere close to doing so.

And that should be no surprise. Hospitals run with about 20 per cent spare capacity, normally. Although extra demand per day can add up (so it’s not quite as simple as saying that there’s less than one per cent extra demand versus 20 per cent spare capacity), the NHS has shown that it could cope with much higher levels than this. In January 2021, peak hospitalisations av eraged about 3,800 admissions per day – nearly five times as high as at present – and the NHS was not swamped. Furthermore, we know from the experience of other developed countries’ health systems that much higher covid loads than this can be handled. This summer in Florida, for example, the health system coped with around 40 per cent higher hospital admissions, per head of population, than England had at its January peak.

The lockdown last winter was not to avoid 3,800 admissions per day. That was what we had with the lockdown. That lockdown was to buy time for the vaccination programme and to avoid a far higher load of admissions than we experienced. Furthermore, the winter lockdown was not just about hospitalisations. It was also to limit the number of deaths. Even as it was, from November to March, over 70,000 people died of covid in England. By contrast, deaths have ceased to be a major issue since March. Vaccination has provided such excellent protection that between March 8th, when the schools returned, and September 5th, just 6,765 people have died from covid in England. To justify a lockdown this autumn on the basis of hospitalisations alone, with far fewer deaths occurring, we would need a vastly greater level of hospitaliations than was feared had we not had last winter’s lockdown.

So, we would need much more than five times as many hospitalisations, at peak, as we have seen this summer, for there to be any risk of the NHS being swamped or anything close to a justification for another lockdown. But that does not mean we would need five times as many cases – we would need far more than that! This autumn, a much higher proportion (perhaps even most) of the new infections will be school-age children. Children are much less likely to be hospitalised by covid than older adults even if the adults are fully vaccinated and the children are not. So having merely five times are many cases will not come anywhere close meaning five times as many hospitalisations.

To get the level of hospitalisations required to come anywhere near justifying another lockdown – ie much more than five times as many, at peak, as we had this summer – we would need in the order of order ten times as many cases as we had over the summer. And we would need to have that happen even though, over the summer, with no restrictions in place at all, cases in the UK went down in July, rose very slightly in the first half of August, then started falling again in the second half of August, meaning that we are at or about the herd immunity threshold (the level of collective immunity at which the virus cannot accelerate its spread for a sustained period) for summer.

It simply isn’t plausible that we could go from being at herd immunity for summer to having a new wave ten times as great this autumn. The mathematics of epidemics do not allow that for a disease as infectious as the delta variant. Perhaps there are other risks that might lead to new restrictions in future months, such as a new flu pandemic. But there is no longer any possibility that the coronavirus could create such a wave of infections, threatening to swamp the NHS, that it could justify a new lockdown this autumn.

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