Lorry drivers to go on strike

gravy173 said:
Vast swathes of the working class voted for change to better their lot as they weren't seeing the benefits, citing wage depression via exploitation of their poorer fellows from europe - isnt this proof that it was happening, well done to the lorry drivers.
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Well done?

The economy is not as simple as supply and demand. Believing that the shortage of drivers is a short term problem, which will be fixed by raising wages and then dressing it up as a Brexit benefit is naive in the extreme. It doesn't address the problem, it simply moves it. Businesses will go out of business, prices will increase and shortages as people move will appear elsewhere in the supply chain because there are simply not enough people to do all the jobs the country needs doing. And as those problems expand through the economy the wage rise becomes more and more worthless since the cost of living goes up, since those same jobs with increased pay are at greater risk of redundancy and since other sectors then start to suffer.
 
gravy173 said:
Vast swathes of the working class voted for change to better their lot as they weren't seeing the benefits, citing wage depression via exploitation of their poorer fellows from europe - isnt this proof that it was happening, well done to the lorry drivers.
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This is the argument I don't get. They voted to isolate their country, remove tarrif free trading with their biggest trading partner and get rid of the ECHR.

In what bizarre world will that help the working classes? You do realise that when a nation gets poorer, it ain't the ruling classes that suffer. In fact, as we are seeing, they benefit. To damage your country and expect to see benefits from that damage is the most bizarre and thoughtless argument for brexit.
 
Randy said:
I mentioned the other day I was offered a **** hot wage and retention bonus at another restaurant the other week. So many stories of similar situations happening all across the country.

We've got a a space for a new chef at our place now but you can't find any decent ones at the moment as the good ones are all still relying on furlough payments at their current jobs. We are reckoning October we will have CV's coming in left right and centre once the furlough scheme comes to an end.

Interesting you mention salaries, chefs are in a position to effectively name their own price. I've been told of agency chefs for example charging £20-£25 per hour around the North East and businesses are actually paying them for 12 hour days as they have no choice, either that or close.
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Isn’t it amazing that after all these years of pleading poverty to keep wages down, it appears all these firms (of whatever size) had just lost it down the back of the sofa after all!
 
WoodallServices said:
Isn’t it amazing that after all these years of pleading poverty to keep wages down, it appears all these firms (of whatever size) had just lost it down the back of the sofa after all!
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Yeah. Brexitists probably actually think that too.

Here's a newsflash. Paying people in the supply chain more. Raises the cost of supplying goods. The logistics firms pass that cost on to The retailers. The retailers pass that cost on to us.

So increasing lorry drivers pay, makes things more expensive for everyone. So the only people that benefit are the lorry drivers. And that's assuming they don't have to buy food. In which case even they don't.
 
The gaps on the shelves are only going to get bigger and prices are going to continue to rise as a result of the stupidity of Brexit.
Bob milk and other Arla products were not delivered to Teesside supermarkets last week as an example. Our dog is having to change his dog food regularly due to brands not being in stock for weeks at a time and when they do come back in stock the price is always increased. These aren't esoteric Brexit related points of argument, these are things that working families will feel directly in their pockets as increased cost of living.
 
dooderooni said:
The gaps on the shelves are only going to get bigger and prices are going to continue to rise as a result of the stupidity of Brexit.
Bob milk and other Arla products were not delivered to Teesside supermarkets last week as an example. Our dog is having to change his dog food regularly due to brands not being in stock for weeks at a time and when they do come back in stock the price is always increased. These aren't esoteric Brexit related points of argument, these are things that working families will feel directly in their pockets as increased cost of living.
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This is the sad thing isn't it? We can all see it's happening and we all know the destruction it is causing. Yet people are still defending it, as they watch themselves becoming poorer and having less choice. I wonder what it'll take for the extreme brexitists to say enough is enough? I honestly have lost what the point is? Why are people on here still desperately defending something that is clearly making them poorer.
 
SmallTown said:
So the only people that benefit are the lorry drivers
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Not that simple. The lorry drivers will spend more money on their preferred purchases, and those sectors of the economy will benefit also. And the government benefits because the lorry drivers will pay more tax.

And then there's the impact on the economy as a whole. If lorry driving becomes a well paid job, people will leave their existing jobs and become lorry drivers. And that will create demand for low or semi-skilled workers, and in turn increase their wages.

And the costs are applied differently. So locally produced produce and food without a major transport component will become more competitively priced - there could be a windfall for British farmers.

On immigration generally: last year the UK had the highest level of net inward migration in four years at 313,000. 2021 will not be as high, but then last year was among the highest ever.
 
WoodallServices said:
Isn’t it amazing that after all these years of pleading poverty to keep wages down, it appears all these firms (of whatever size) had just lost it down the back of the sofa after all!
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The wages they are offering chefs aren't sustainable in the long run unless said eateries increase the prices on their menus which will then put off customers. It's a tricky balancing act. You'll find that of eateries can't afford increased wages they offer 4 day working weeks instead. I get the best of both, decent wage and a 4 day working week with 3 straight days off.
 
SmallTown said:
Yeah. Brexitists probably actually think that too.

Here's a newsflash. Paying people in the supply chain more. Raises the cost of supplying goods. The logistics firms pass that cost on to The retailers. The retailers pass that cost on to us.

So increasing lorry drivers pay, makes things more expensive for everyone. So the only people that benefit are the lorry drivers. And that's assuming they don't have to buy food. In which case even they don't.
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So you’re saying they should work for nowt to give us cheap spuds?
 
Adi_Dem said:
Well done?

The economy is not as simple as supply and demand. Believing that the shortage of drivers is a short term problem, which will be fixed by raising wages and then dressing it up as a Brexit benefit is naive in the extreme. It doesn't address the problem, it simply moves it. Businesses will go out of business, prices will increase and shortages as people move will appear elsewhere in the supply chain because there are simply not enough people to do all the jobs the country needs doing. And as those problems expand through the economy the wage rise becomes more and more worthless since the cost of living goes up, since those same jobs with increased pay are at greater risk of redundancy and since other sectors then start to suffer.
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So your basically saying keep the truckers on the wage they are on because you don't want to pay an extra couple of quid for your weekly shop?
 
WoodallServices said:
So you’re saying they should work for nowt to give us cheap spuds?
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HGV driving is a volunteer charity is it?

Once agin you're deliberately misrepresenting what I have said. I've said prices will go up ACROSS THE BOARD. That means we will all be poorer. Including the HGV drivers as they also have to by the goods that are more expensive. You know this is what I said, it's really poor form you trivialise it into a brexit style soundbite.
 
Adi_Dem said:
You’ve moved on from misunderstanding my post and want to talk about my strategy for fixing the problem?
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No, I haven't misunderstood your post at all. You don't want to raise truck driver salaries. So what's your strategy to entice more drivers into that field? Cuddles? A Coopland's pastry danish (delicious by the way)?

I for one don't have an issue paying am extra quid on food and drink items if it means they get paid more.
 
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