tonymcandrewshattrick
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just like your divisive comments - very sad indeedA great contribution
just like your divisive comments - very sad indeedA great contribution
I don't see the problem with it. You don't want the vaccine so you don't need the treatment.just like your divisive comments - very sad indeed
Will those people then be entitled to a national insurance rebate?
And we'll keep your tax thank you very much, that will be compensation for the drain on society anti-vaxxers have been. Maybe we'll apportion it though and spend it on science education as this is the thing most of the anti-vaxxers are missing!
It's funny that these anti-vaxers don't want the NHS's help prior to getting Covid but want the safety net of it if they do get it.
says the person calling people anti-vaxxers whenever you've posted.I don't see the problem with it. You don't want the vaccine so you don't need the treatment.
I can tell you have lost the argument anyway on this thread, the debate has gone and the name calling has started.
I’m not anti-vaxx at all I’ve had both jabs. I’m very much pro choice though, I feel it’s the start of a very slippery slope when we allow authoritarian types to make the decision to allow people to die on the streets because they chose not to undergo an optional medical procedure. Where does it end? Should we not treat youngsters for not taking a flu jab too?? After all we’re all offered one. Although it is very charitable of you to allow our taxes to be used to treat the obese and smokers, the two biggest and most preventable drains on the NHS.There is no vaccine that prevents you getting obese or that stops you starting smoking. But you don't die from being fat or from smoking, it's the related conditions that come of being fat etc - the cancers / high blood pressure etc. Covid is different - you can catch it and die specifically from it.
This is a preventative measure offered to everyone to stop you becoming seriously ill. Don't take it? Take your chances, but not at the expense of others who might need that NHS capacity for their operations / diagnosis.
It's funny that these anti-vaxers don't want the NHS's help prior to getting Covid but want the safety net of it if they do get it.
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And we'll keep your tax thank you very much, that will be compensation for the drain on society anti-vaxxers have been. Maybe we'll apportion it though and spend it on science education as this is the thing most of the anti-vaxxers are missing!
Spoken like a true Tory.No, we'll treat NI the same as tax I think!
Lol, I have that every day, and have done for the last 10 years, running a business, which could disappear in an instant if one big client doesn't pay their bill, it's effectively an inevitablility.Spoken words from a man who didn't have to survive for 12 months wondering every day when he woke up if he would have a job at the end of that day. My stance was against the public good? Wow, that's a fairly random accusation. There are many countries that followed different paths through the pandemic. For example last I heard Sweden was an apocalyptic wasteland. Wait, no it isn't.
Would I work where I am now for free? What on earth does that have to with a big pharma company making a profit off of a pandemic? Note you said AZ are doing it at cost, well why aren't the rest?
Spoken like a true Tory.
I’m not anti-vaxx at all I’ve had both jabs. I’m very much pro choice though, I feel it’s the start of a very slippery slope when we allow authoritarian types to make the decision to allow people to die on the streets because they chose not to undergo an optional medical procedure. Where does it end? Should we not treat youngsters for not taking a flu jab too?? After all we’re all offered one. Although it is very charitable of you to allow our taxes to be used to treat the obese and smokers, the two biggest and most preventable drains on the NHS.
So you're happy to watch another human being dying in the street. Would you **** on them at the same time?Pro choice is great, but if you chose to not get jabbed I don't have a problem with the NHS closing not to treat you if you got Covid.
Is everybody dead in Sweden? Yes or no?Lol, I have that every day, and have done for the last 10 years, running a business, which could disappear in an instant if one big client doesn't pay their bill, it's effectively an inevitablility.
Yes, against the public good, it's not random, it's based on your posts. You've been against most of the policies designed to limit the excess deaths, in favour of opening businesses (at the wrong times), or not having other protective measures, which would have certainly meant much more excess deaths.
You don't live in Sweden, and they're not comparable to the UK. Sweden has done dog turd compared to every country the surrounds it, most of which had more lockdowns than us, hence lockdowns and protective measures work (for the good of public health), this is not debatable.
You're asking "big pharma" to work for free? If your employer had worked for cost (not free) in 2018-2019 cooking for those dying of hunger, then you would have had zero in the bank to ride the pandemic storm.
I'm not saying you should be cooking or working for free, certainly not for 99%, that's my point, but equally, you can't expect that of other companies. They might have spent billions and decades building up tech, to cover for this scenario. Would they get recompensated for that? Of course not, so they make up for it when it is needed. It's not ideal, but that's how the world works, and how your employer works.
Anyway, it's not like "Big Pharma" or whoever are making a killing (compared to come other sectors), the "big pharma" indexes are up 10-20%, when the S&P 500 has gone up 50%, they aren't the big winners in this.
Why should the NHS treat them if the NHS are advising people to get vaccinated so that their numbers in beds are kept low so that there is space to treat everyone sensible, who needs it. Over 70's/80's are still at more risk even AFTER vaccination, than under 50's without vaccination. The over 70's/80's and those with health issues still carry the most risk, and would likely get prioritised/ fill up the available beds first.So you're happy to watch another human being dying in the street. Would you **** on them at the same time?
Who said everyone would be straw man?Is everybody dead in Sweden? Yes or no?
So you're happy to watch another human being dying in the street. Would you **** on them at the same time?
That's not what he said. You choose to take the risk of catching it and dying from it. Whatever you think, it DOES affect young, healthy people.So you're happy to watch another human being dying in the street. Would you **** on them at the same time?
why, because you and @NYboro have both referenced casting people out from society. The lovely NYboro was supporting withdrawing social security support for people that don't want the vaccine.Why would they be in the street?
because we are supposed to live in a humane society Andy.Why should the NHS treat them if the NHS are advising people to get vaccinated so that their numbers in beds are kept low so that there is space to treat everyone sensible, who needs it.
They take the vaccine to help protect others. I have just seen the email sent out to the 30000 health care employees where I worked. Anyone not vaccinated by the 13th has to go to the office for termination proceedings to start. Two weeks after that they are unemployed with no unemployment benefits.why, because you and @NYboro have both referenced casting people out from society. The lovely NYboro was supporting withdrawing social security support for people that don't want the vaccine.
What happens to these people? Where do they go? How do they survive?
What's happened to the society that cares for each other, because it should work both ways.