65% if delta hospitalisations have not been vaccinated

It said on the lunch time news earlier today that 53% of those who had died with Covid on the death certificate HAD been vaccinated - i don’t know if that was for today’s deaths or yesterday




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How would anyone know that? There is no link between those two pieces of data.
 
No it was written across their news flash banner, although they actually worded it as 47% of those that had died WERN’T vaccinated - surprise surprise, it’s almost as if they have an agenda eh



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But at the same time 80% of adults have been vaccinated, so about 65% of people, yet only 35% of hospital cases are vaccinated. So basically, it really helps to reduce the impact. What we really need though is to get close to 100% vaccination. Time to make it mandatory or reduce the privileges of those that refuse to be vaccinated.
I'm surprised that you would suggest mandatory vaccination mate.

I think incentivisation is an interesting idea though
 
But at the same time 80% of adults have been vaccinated, so about 65% of people, yet only 35% of hospital cases are vaccinated. So basically, it really helps to reduce the impact. What we really need though is to get close to 100% vaccination. Time to make it mandatory or reduce the privileges of those that refuse to be vaccinated.
Mandatory vaccination - so you want to force people to take part in a medical trial against their will ? Nice - what did they bother writing the Nuremberg code for




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If you are meaning the models and analysis that is being done. To produce a model you have to define a target variable, this is best to be binary, therefore death is pretty easy to define. How would you define a longer term medical impact ? For example what is long term ? months/years ? you do not have the observation period to measure an impact as the models need to be made quickly. Also how do you define the medical problem, this would be very subjective and almost impossible to define.
I don't mean a quantified analysis. I mean the government, scientist and the public are not really speaking about this. Particularly the public. We know long covid is a thing, we know people end up in hospital and some get organ damage, we know there can be lung scaring. No one is really talking about this. Just that well, the death numbers have fallen. More people are surviving, does that mean more survivors will have further health issues down the line? I know the death numbers are hugely significant, but we shouldn't see reduced deaths within 21 days as this is sorted.
 
Mandatory vaccination - so you want to force people to take part in a medical trial against their will ? Nice - what did they bother writing the Nuremberg code for




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By that rationale not having a vaccine is also a 'medical trial'.

Besides I'm not saying FORCE you, you have a choice, if you don't want to take it fine, but your rights should be reduced to protect the rest of us. We all have choices in life and they all have consequences. If that's the most important thing to you then go for it. Stick you all in tents on the Isle of Mann
 
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No it was written across their news flash banner, although they actually worded it as 47% of those that had died WERN’T vaccinated - surprise surprise, it’s almost as if they have an agenda eh
You do realise that 80% of adults have had the vaccine. There are 5 times as many vaccinated adults. Lets say 4 times as many vaccinated people. So you are still 3 1/2 times as likely to die if you didn't have the vaccine. You need to analyse figures not just blindly apply them with prejudice.
 
By that rationale not having a vaccine is also a 'medical trial'.

Besides I'm not saying FORCE you, you have a choice, if you don't want to take it fine, but your rights should be reduced to protect the rest of us. We all have choices in life and they all have consequences. If that's the most important thing to you then go for it. Stick you all in tents on the Isle of Mann
You said it’s time to make it mandatory - if that’s not force then i don’t know what is




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Mandatory vaccination - so you want to force people to take part in a medical trial against their will ? Nice - what did they bother writing the Nuremberg code for




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I see this ‘taking part in a medical trial against their will’ argument trotted out quite frequently.

Often, and I’m not saying you fall in this category, but very often it is said by the same people who advocated for the Great Barrington Decepiton......which would have involved the overwhelming majority taking part in an infection trial against their will......

Personally, I think people should have freedom of choice over what goes in their body but antivax nonsense being countered with actual science and evidence doesn’t seem to be cutting through because Karen on Facebook shared a video that Bill posted on YouTube.. (ALWAYS containing total misrepresentation of data, context and facts) and it’s just far too easy to manipulate those being manipulated into thinking they are the enlightened ones, and the rest are the ones being manipulated ...... so I’m not sure what the answer is.

I do know that quite often the people shouting loudest about ‘lockdown’ ending (we aren’t in a lockdown, BTW) and the disgrace of not lifting all restrictions on June 21st, are very often the same people who are refusing to have the vaccine and spreading, often inadvertently, antivax nonsense...

People can’t have it both ways. Take your incredibly low risk vaccine and do your bit for the greater good of the society, OR shut the **** up and accept you’ll not be able to stand at the bar for a few more weeks and will have to wear a mask for 20 minutes in Tesco twice a week, and hope that everyone else getting their vaccine means HIT is reached without you, and you don’t get ill in the meantime.


EDIT - Sorry @Funky_Chicken ......rant over. I didn’t mean for that to come across as though it was written and aimed at you. Just frustrated with the situation, as we all are, and had a lousy sleep 😬
 
It said on the lunch time news earlier today that 53% of those who had died with Covid on the death certificate HAD been vaccinated - i don’t know if that was for today’s deaths or yesterday




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That’s because they’d had a positive test, but doesn’t mean they died of Covid. We know of someone who committed suicide, but had Covid also mentioned on the death certificate, so would be included in those figures.
 
That’s because they’d had a positive test, but doesn’t mean they died of Covid. We know of someone who committed suicide, but had Covid also mentioned on the death certificate, so would be included in those figures.
The next of kin must have agreed to that being on the death certificate and signed accordingly.
 
That’s because they’d had a positive test, but doesn’t mean they died of Covid. We know of someone who committed suicide, but had Covid also mentioned on the death certificate, so would be included in those figures.
And there in lies the problem with the way these deaths are being recorded. Why on earth is a suicide victim being recorded in the daily Covid death figures. I too know of other people who have been put in the Covid deaths when they’ve died of something else and yet there are people on here (naming no names) who still deny this happens. This is why i have no faith in the number of deaths that we’re told has happened




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And there in lies the problem with the way these deaths are being recorded. Why on earth is a suicide victim being recorded in the daily Covid death figures. I too know of other people who have been put in the Covid deaths when they’ve died of something else and yet there are people on here (naming no names) who still deny this happens. This is why i have no faith in the number of deaths that we’re told has happened




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Because the next of kin agree it's a major or contributory cause of death. Are you saying bereaved next of kin are liars?
 
Because the next of kin agree it's a major or contributory cause of death. Are you saying bereaved next of kin are liars?
Why would anyone agree to saying their relative died of Covid when they committed suicide, and either way it doesn’t make it right even if they do agree to put it on a death certificate . The figures are skewed and misleading because of misinformation like this



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Just out of interest, isn’t it the professional opinion of a medical doctor what the causes of death were?
No. The next of kin can agree to the medical opinion or send it back to the coroner if they disagree. The registrar goes through this very slowly to ensure the next of kin agrees as it's very difficult to change after it has been signed.
 
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