Liar Hancock

Paarmo said:
I think you are mistaking the national shortage to other areas of need rather than the NHS.
PPE was not available to care homes etc. because it was thought at the time that the NHS was the primary place of need.
This was obviously wrong in hindsight and the enquiry will obviously highlight this.
Please remember that this was a once in a life time situation and the chaos and panic of the Government at the time was mirrored by every other Government in the developed World.
In an ideal world we would have had x number of tons of PPE just sitting in a warehouse waiting to dole out to everyone who asked for it.
As an aside , although not an excuse , Care Homes are in the main private profit making businesses and if the Government are taken to task for not having a sufficient stock of PPE then perhaps they should take their share of the blame.
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I’m not mistaking anything it’s in the National Audit Office report that the NHS suffered a physical shortage due to ‘stockpile deficiencies in visors, swabs, body bags and gowns’ the BMJ also reported incidents of multi use of PPE which compromised safety due to these shortages.

Some countries had sufficient stockpile others didn’t, some countries could account for every single item of PPE we couldn’t, we created our stockpile in 2009 in readiness for such an event we failed to add to it sufficiently and we had a National shortage of PPE at NHS level according to multiple sources including the Government’s own Audit Office.
 
I think, in just the same way that political affiliations have become binary (my view = totally correct, your view = totally incorrect), the electorate is also weighing up individual inter-party issues in their heads. It's clear that a lot of the sort of issues mentioned above will be overlooked because a "bigger issue" has been handled well in their view (Brexit, vaccine roll out etc).

That's not to say something couldn't come along which overrides these bigger issues in the minds of the electorate, but it's clear that it hasn't yet!
 
changingman said:
I think, in just the same way that political affiliations have become binary (my view = totally correct, your view = totally incorrect), the electorate is also weighing up individual inter-party issues in their heads. It's clear that a lot of the sort of issues mentioned above will be overlooked because a "bigger issue" has been handled well in their view (Brexit, vaccine roll out etc).

That's not to say something couldn't come along which overrides these bigger issues in the minds of the electorate, but it's clear that it hasn't yet!
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It's a woryr isn't it? I think you're correct BTW a government can get away with pretty much anything as long as it's "wins" are spun correctly. Delivering Brexit. albeit in the most incompetent, destructive and embarrassing way possible is seen as a win. As is taking credit for the NHS rollout of vaccinations. These lies seem to over ride everything else they do. I find this sad. I wish people would think a bit more about politics and not just react to a headline. Especially as the majority of the media in this country is right wing
 
Exactly, progressive change is off-the-table in my opinion until something is done about the media.

I do wonder if education plays a role in this as well though - too many people seem to be capable of being "taken in" by a headline. Where's the critical thinking which asks "why is that the case", the desire for contextual analysis...

It might be just me but a sensationalist headline just generates further questions in my head, rather than glowing feelings of support or sympathy.
 
changingman said:
Exactly, progressive change is off-the-table in my opinion until something is done about the media.

I do wonder if education plays a role in this as well though - too many people seem to be capable of being "taken in" by a headline. Where's the critical thinking which asks "why is that the case", the desire for contextual analysis...

It might be just me but a sensationalist headline just generates further questions in my head, rather than glowing feelings of support or sympathy.
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Education could play a part. I think apathy is probably the main driver though. It's easier to form your opinion form a headline than a fact if you're just not bothered. The referendum we had a few years back showed the British public simply aren't bothered about politics.

I wonder how, or even if, this can be fixed? With covid and brexit we have had two pretty dramatic and cataclysmic events which you think would make people think a bit more about the people governing us. It's clear its done the opposite. People have just regressed to simplifying things and untrenching whatever views they held previous. I'm not sure we can "fix" this. And we will be stuck with the corruption and end up a poor European Republic. Kind of like Moldova or Belarus or any country where autocratic leaders used breaking from the safety of a union to take control and run the country into the ground.
 
My political views aren’t so sophisticated.
If you voted for the current government I wouldn’t p1ss on you if you were on fire.

You have a serious lack of character, how you can defend them is beyond comprehension.

Draping yourself in the Union Jack seems to have a stupefying effect upon the feeble minded.
 
changingman said:
Exactly, progressive change is off-the-table in my opinion until something is done about the media.

I do wonder if education plays a role in this as well though - too many people seem to be capable of being "taken in" by a headline. Where's the critical thinking which asks "why is that the case", the desire for contextual analysis...

It might be just me but a sensationalist headline just generates further questions in my head, rather than glowing feelings of support or sympathy.
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Our society is in regression and being bombarded with all kinds of political psychological messages and influences from the government via the MSM and social media.

Goebbels would be in total admiration for what is going on right now.
 
American_Mary said:
I’m not mistaking anything it’s in the National Audit Office report that the NHS suffered a physical shortage due to ‘stockpile deficiencies in visors, swabs, body bags and gowns’ the BMJ also reported incidents of multi use of PPE which compromised safety due to these shortages.

Some countries had sufficient stockpile others didn’t, some countries could account for every single item of PPE we couldn’t, we created our stockpile in 2009 in readiness for such an event we failed to add to it sufficiently and we had a National shortage of PPE at NHS level according to multiple sources including the Government’s own Audit Office.
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damn you and your verifiable facts!
 
BoroMart said:
Paarmo is a new member, with the same old pro-tory crap. WE all know it's another incarnation of the nonsense we've seen on here before from a Tory stooge. He'll respond by denying this of course, but I see the signs already. I've seen it all before and I'm not wasting my time, Block list.
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another one ! - be no one left soon
 
BoroMart said:
I wouldn't worry, it's the same person barred multiple times. Pretty much everyone else is still here.
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That's the brilliant myth of this place. "Oh loads of people get banned"

I doubt that. Loads of accounts get banned, yes. Form the style of writing it's clear it's very few people.
 
I saw the interview on TV yesterday morning, you could put the TV on mute and it would be obvious he wasn’t being truthful.
Hancock looks like he’s thinking of a line in his head to fit the question, then looks pleased with himself at the end of the sentence when he thinks what he’s said makes sense.
Politicians from all sides are just the same, work some stock answers into the interview without directly answering any questions put to them.
 
LowMoorBoro said:
I saw the interview on TV yesterday morning, you could put the TV on mute and it would be obvious he wasn’t being truthful.
Hancock looks like he’s thinking of a line in his head to fit the question, then looks pleased with himself at the end of the sentence when he thinks what he’s said makes sense.
Politicians from all sides are just the same, work some stock answers into the interview without directly answering any questions put to them.
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You are right but don’t you think the interviewers are as much to blame?

They do ridiculous things like constantly interrupting so the politician can hardly speak but then let the politician get away with giving fob off answers without ever directly saying ‘that’s a fob off, you haven’t answered the question’.
 
HolgateCorner said:
You are right but don’t you think the interviewers are as much to blame?

They do ridiculous things like constantly interrupting so the politician can hardly speak but then let the politician get away with giving fob off answers without ever directly saying ‘that’s a fob off, you haven’t answered the question’.
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I would agree, a lot of interviewers interrupt and just shout their opinions at the person being interviewed.
People were saying how great for example Piers Morgan’s interviews were, but to me he’d take up most of the time in a monologue with no real question apart from “is that true?” Or something like that at the end, to which the person being interviewed would just say something like “well that’s your opinion Piers”.
I don’t tend to watch them often as they’re just a pantomime.
 
Paarmo said:
I did actually cover the High Court ruling Small Town if you had bothered to read the post rather than just following your Party line.
The Labour Party's foibles have even been covered in the Daily Mirror .
Being "a right one " presumably is meant to mean that I don't agree with your views.
In that case I am proud to be " a right one " as well as being British and a free thinker rather than being tethered to the past.
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A ‘free thinker’ 😂
 
Bile , vitriol , malevolence and insults.
This is a perfect example of what is wrong with this Country when you cannot have a debate without resorting to this.
If anyone had a valid example of Hancock lying then I would listen to you. However it would appear that if you don't like what someone says or does , rather than debating the point you scream , shout liar and with spittle dripping from your keyboard attack anyone who disagrees with you.
At least American Mary had a go at debating.
By the way I AM a new member and have never posted on this site previously , despite the aspersions being cast.
 
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