Dairy and meat exports down 96% due to Brexit

Saying you want a grown up conversation yet will treat others with contempt if they try to defend Brexit shows a bewildering lack of self awareness.

Carry on trying to assuage your guilt for voting for Brexit by proxy.
Standard response. Even after all we've discussed. Shame it hasn't sunk in.

Read what I think of brexit as a process. Then maybe, just maybe, you'll be able to work out why that helps form my opinion of people who are still trying to defend brexit.

How do you feel about the fact our farming exports to the EU have all but stopped?
 
Oh dear. You should have read my last post. I don't care if people get annoyed with me. I have forthright views and really have no qualms about upsetting people on the internet. I do have an issue with the quality of debate though. When people get personal, I attack back because I'm not the type to sit there and take it. The problem is when people ONLY get personal. We saw on the other thread at least 3 people read to jump on me, and utterly ignore the issues being discussed. That's the problem. You yourself seem more interested in having a go at peoples personalities then ever debating the issues. Try having a grown up conversation for a change.

For the record, I DO think brexit is a stupid idea and I'm suspicious of anyone who, at this point in time, will try and defend it or deflect from us discussing the issues. If you don't like this, prove me wrong. I feel like I've been saying this for 4 years now but it's just the way. I consider brexit to be a destructive force. The vote to leave was based on ignorance, fear, bigotry and misplaced national pride. Now the problems with it are being laid bare for all to see I will absolutely treat anyone who tries to still defend it with the contempt I think they deserve. You have two options when this happens: take up the debate and prove me wrong, or react to my strong views with personal insults that completely ignore what is being dicsussed. It's people doing the latter which is the issue. It also happens to be the main repsonse. I suspect this is because you can't prove me wrong about the negative aspects of Brexit. Once again. The simple challenge is there prove me wrong. Just going to personal insults strengthens my case and makes you look petty.
ST your strong views on Brexit are well known, I share most of them and as much as I think Bexiters and those who didn't vote made a big mistake I am not as intolerant of their views as yourself. Can you help people out, as we know you voted Tory in the last election, fair enough your choice, I presume like most people you were aware that voting Tory would lead to us leaving the EU and quite possibly at that time without even having any sort of deal. The Tory's win and to mine and many others dismay Brexit happens.

Your pro EU stance is admirable in the main, but can you help others by offering some sort of explanation of your thinking of what seems like an extreme contradictory position given you feelings about Brexit, you never know you may attract some pro EU converts.
 
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They have yes.

Any plan to do it though?

Like I said I'm out, I didn't join this forum to be called stupid by total strangers and have my character called into question. Best to just avoid any threads with the word b****t in.
At the moment there isn't a push for it, the country has been torn apart by Farage, Johnson, Rees Mogg and Co.

It will come within the next decade.
 
ST you strong views on Brexit are well known, I share most of them and as much as I think Bexiters and those who didn't vote made a big mistake I am not as intolerant of their views as yourself. Can you help people out, as we know you voted Tory in the last election, fair enough your choice, I presume like most people you were aware that voting Tory would lead to us leaving the EU and quite possibly at that time without even having any sort of deal. The Tory's win and to mine and many others dismay Brexit happens.

You pro EU stance is admirable in the main, but can you help others by offering some sort of explanation of your thinking of what seems like an extreme contradictory position given you feelings about Brexit, you never know you may attract some pro EU converts.
I can and have. They can easily go and check the threads were I've endlessly gone over it. They won't though because it's easier just to insult me.
 
Just got to treat such selfish ignorance with the contempt it deserves I think.
My thought exactly. Despite our best efforts he seems incapable or unwilling of acting civilised or having an adult conversation. Hence why he gets treat the way he deserves.
 
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