Irish now suspend Astra Zeneca vaccine

What I don't understand about this is that based on every set of figures I've seen on this, the number of cases of people experiencing blood clotting problems is no higher than would normally be seen in the general population. Which would indicate that the vaccine is having no effect on the risk of blood clots.

In fact some analyses I've seen (Dr John Campbell, for instance) indicate there's actually a lower incidence of such problems than would routinely occur in people who have not been vaccinated.

So if anything, based on the numbers you could even make a case that the vaccine is protecting people against blood clots.
 
Of course there's politics being played. Why do you think that practically every news bulletin shows Johnson prowling round some vaccination centre and getting too close to people? I just don't think that the link in the OP is an example of it.
 
bear66 said:
Deaths from vaccinations are incredibly rare. Possibly some children with the polio vaccine but virtually none from flu vaccinations. It's always taken very seriously as even though the benefits are huge, any possibility of a death are taken very seriously. In this instance, I guess they believe the balance of precaution should take precedence. They have alternatives available, albeit coming through so slowly.
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This implies there isn’t a supply problem, there is and many people are dying as a result. To restrict supply further will result in more deaths. There is no reasonable logic to it and the balance of precaution is being incorrectly applied.
 
bear66 said:
I think the precautionary health measure is to avoid cutting off their nose to spite their face.

I agree it's a big decision but, in normal times, any concerns over a vaccine would stop it's use. Ireland have already announced far greater restrictions than us through to the summer and have alternative vaccines being delivered and on order to allow this temporary pause.
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Wouldn’t the WHO be all over this if there was an issue though, rather than an individual country decision.
 
the_holgate_roof said:
Wouldn’t the WHO be all over this if there was an issue though, rather than an individual country decision.
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The story is a bit strange when you read the Irish Times report, which cites a Norwegian health report. The Norwegian concerns have been with the Pfizer vaccine as that was the only vaccine they had access to.

Neither the WHO or European Medicines Agency have said its use should be stopped.
 
SmallTown said:
A danish report said it may cause blood clots
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There is concern in Italy due to 3/4 deaths from blood clots after the AZ vaccine. They haven't concluded that it is caused by the vaccine but are carrying out autopsies which is sensible. They also linked the deaths to a particular batch of 1 million doses which went to several countries. They have temporarily suspended their vaccination programmes
awaiting further information. Seems sensible to me.
 
It also gives those governments a "get out of jail" card to cover their (relatively) slow vaccination programs.

But that's probably just a coincidence...
 
its just an 'anti Ireland' rant.

the EU have rejected the notion that its unsafe due to bloodclotting causation. - so Ireland are NOT following any EU line.

4 other countrys have suspended, Ireland are being asked to *Pause., their roll out using this vaccine by their own medical officer

its all part of the process - we/you should all be thankful that there is ongoing checks and counter checks.
 
zorro_mfc said:
They really do follow the Eu on everything don’t they.

Irish times
“It has not been concluded that there is any link between the Covid-19 vaccine AstraZeneca and these cases. However, acting on the precautionary principal, and pending receipt of further information, the NIAC has recommended the temporary deferral of the Covid-19 vaccine AstraZeneca vaccination programme in Ireland. ”
The NIAC will meet again on Sunday morning and issue a further statement after.
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I had the AZ vaccine this morning.

Still a stone cold stud.
 
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zorro_mfc said:
From Reuters


The European Union's most senior administrator said she would happily receive AstraZeneca's coronavirus vaccine as officials rushed to find ways of ensuring doses refused by skittish Germans did not go to waste.


President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen's remarks came amid growing concerns that unfavourable comments by top European officials including French President Emmanuel Macron had slowed take-up of one of only three vaccines currently approved EU-wide.


Earlier this month, Macron said Britain had taken a risk in authorising AstraZeneca so rapidly. A German official study also found evidence that, though effective, the vaccine has more severe side effects than its two main rivals.
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So UvdL has said she'd take it and had full faith in the AZ vaccine? So the Irish aren't slavishly following the rules?

It looks like someone has EU derangement syndrome. Not everything is an EU plot
 
More vaccine for the UK then. Don't want them to run out and have to use sigue sigue sputnick or similar or 2nd jab..
 
Strange decision, but there have been a lot of strange decisions around Europe when it comes to vaccines in the last few months.
 
zorro_mfc said:
They really do follow the Eu on everything don’t they.

Irish times
“It has not been concluded that there is any link between the Covid-19 vaccine AstraZeneca and these cases. However, acting on the precautionary principal, and pending receipt of further information, the NIAC has recommended the temporary deferral of the Covid-19 vaccine AstraZeneca vaccination programme in Ireland. ”
The NIAC will meet again on Sunday morning and issue a further statement after.
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30 suspected incidents from 5,000,000 doses, bit of a fuss over nowt
 
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