Second hand EVs

ForssAwakens said:
Perception, it always perception

Social media world has enhanced that. Something to from a to b. I’m in 9th year on my 1l corsa. It was pre registered so got it for 7k when me and my wife both passed our test
Click to expand...
Not sure I agree - I have a 2008 ford focus beater myself but the only reason I don't buy a new car is money - I'd rather spend that on something else and it costs me about £200-500 a year in MOT repairs - this year was £140 which was a bonus.

That said, when I get a ride in my mates cars and theyre much more comfortable, better features and more enjoyable to drive I can see the appeal, I'd just personally rather spend that money on something else. Likewise my girlfriend could really use an EV as she works for the NHS in the community and it would suit her daily mileage down to a T.
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
Not sure I agree - I have a 2008 ford focus beater myself but the only reason I don't buy a new car is money - I'd rather spend that on something else and it costs me about £200-500 a year in MOT repairs - this year was £140 which was a bonus.

That said, when I get a ride in my mates cars and theyre much more comfortable, better features and more enjoyable to drive I can see the appeal, I'd just personally rather spend that money on something else. Likewise my girlfriend could really use an EV as she works for the NHS in the community and it would suit her daily mileage down to a T.
Click to expand...
EV's are ideal if you do most of your driving locally.
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
Not sure I agree - I have a 2008 ford focus beater myself but the only reason I don't buy a new car is money - I'd rather spend that on something else and it costs me about £200-500 a year in MOT repairs - this year was £140 which was a bonus.

That said, when I get a ride in my mates cars and theyre much more comfortable, better features and more enjoyable to drive I can see the appeal, I'd just personally rather spend that money on something else. Likewise my girlfriend could really use an EV as she works for the NHS in the community and it would suit her daily mileage down to a T.
Click to expand...


She can get one on NHS fleet solutions… my mrs has one and it’s half the price of walking into the showrooms

Includes all maintenance, tax and insurance too
 
Acklam_Lad said:
She can get one on NHS fleet solutions… my mrs has one and it’s half the price of walking into the showrooms

Includes all maintenance, tax and insurance too
Click to expand...
She can but I'd rather own a vehicle personally, my current car I've had 16 years this month so has cost me very little per year, plus she is a higher rate tax payer and salary sacrifice impacts your pension I believe. Our insurance is only £300 a year for the two of us plus business cover so no hardship

Most the decent cars on there are £500+ a month plus an extra fee to get an ev point installed
 
italianjob said:
All the pollution? There's a lot less coming out of the exhaust than an ICE car.
Not complicated at all, Toyota/Kia/Hyundai etc. have been doing them for the last 20 years. I think they've got it sorted by now and they will only get better.
Click to expand...
They still run on petrol. And I meant more complicated compared to an EV
 
I don’t know the history of it since I gave the car up, but my old 59 plate Toyota Prius company car is still on the road with 208,000 on the clock 😳
 
Andy_W said:
Hybrids work exceptionally well, especially PHEV's, if your commute can basically be done on EV miles alone, which most can. This is basically what our lass does, her car only has 30 miles EV/hybrid range, but 95% of her miles are from the grid. I don't see how there's much point in them for doing masses and masses of miles though, as in that case the EV just makes better sense (if you have a home charger).
Click to expand...
If you’re only doing 30 miles a day you’re probably better off in an EV than a hybrid. You’ll be charging and discharging the battery at max capacity much more often which will shorten it’s lifespan compared to an EV you could charge to 70% and then run down to 20% before you charge again. You might not get anywhere near it being an issue but the EV battery would be in much better condition after 5 years.
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
She can but I'd rather own a vehicle personally, my current car I've had 16 years this month so has cost me very little per year, plus she is a higher rate tax payer and salary sacrifice impacts your pension I believe. Our insurance is only £300 a year for the two of us plus business cover so no hardship

Most the decent cars on there are £500+ a month plus an extra fee to get an ev point installed
Click to expand...
It might be worth getting this confirmed. The deduction is usually pre tax, not from the salary, so I don’t think pensions would be affected. As a higher rate taxpayer, that £500+ would be equivalent to a much lower payment, especially when servicing, insurance, tyres etc. are taken into account.
 
SilentProf said:
If you’re only doing 30 miles a day you’re probably better off in an EV than a hybrid. You’ll be charging and discharging the battery at max capacity much more often which will shorten it’s lifespan compared to an EV you could charge to 70% and then run down to 20% before you charge again. You might not get anywhere near it being an issue but the EV battery would be in much better condition after 5 years.
Click to expand...
The whole point of a hybrid is that it charges/discharges frequently. Where's that data that shows it shortens the life span?
 
A couple of lads at work seem to like theirs and they do decent miles per day . I think it’s a Kia.
One soff to away game soon so will get a good test
 
italianjob said:
The whole point of a hybrid is that it charges/discharges frequently. Where's that data that shows it shortens the life span?
Click to expand...
If you buy an EV, they recommend you only charge it to 80% unless you’re making a long trip as it helps the battery life. It also takes much longer to charge the last 20% than the first 80%.
 
SilentProf said:
It might be worth getting this confirmed. The deduction is usually pre tax, not from the salary, so I don’t think pensions would be affected. As a higher rate taxpayer, that £500+ would be equivalent to a much lower payment, especially when servicing, insurance, tyres etc. are taken into account.
Click to expand...
It does impact on your pension, as you're effectively reducing your salary by the monthly gross cost of the car and hence will pay lower pension contributions. However, if you're a higher rate taxpayer then it's a no brainer if comparing against a PCP type deal. NHS fleet solutions currently has a selection of £40k+ EV cars which would work out roughly between £300-£370ish a month net and there's no deposit to pay. That also includes insurance and maintenance etc. You'll struggle to get a 21/22 plate focus on a PCP deal with a deposit for less than £300+ a month and then you have all the extras on top with insurance/maintenance etc.
 
Last edited:
SilentProf said:
If you buy an EV, they recommend you only charge it to 80% unless you’re making a long trip as it helps the battery life. It also takes much longer to charge the last 20% than the first 80%.
Click to expand...
Yes, that's the case for full EV's as you charge up then it's a fairly continues discharge until the next charge cycle. Hybrids are designed to alternate between charge/discharge whilst driving. I've been quite impressed with mine, most of the time you can't tell if it's running on electric or petrol, unless you floor it.
 
italianjob said:
Yes, that's the case for full EV's as you charge up then it's a fairly continues discharge until the next charge cycle. Hybrids are designed to alternate between charge/discharge whilst driving. I've been quite impressed with mine, most of the time you can't tell if it's running on electric or petrol, unless you floor it.
Click to expand...
Maybe it’s a different battery type that doesn’t have the same issue. I do remember reading about some hybrids needing new batteries and them not being cheap but they’re likely to be more extreme examples.
 
SilentProf said:
If you buy an EV, they recommend you only charge it to 80% unless you’re making a long trip as it helps the battery life. It also takes much longer to charge the last 20% than the first 80%.
Click to expand...
Not quite true anymore.

On a long trip you definitely wouldn't charge over 80% you're just wasting your own time. Best thing to do is run deep, down to about 5% and leave as soon as you can. Charging curves mean there is no point staying after 80%
But the new lfp batteries don't mind being fully charged day to day. Tesla recommend you keep their latest cars at 100% when you can.
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
She can but I'd rather own a vehicle personally, my current car I've had 16 years this month so has cost me very little per year, plus she is a higher rate tax payer and salary sacrifice impacts your pension I believe. Our insurance is only £300 a year for the two of us plus business cover so no hardship

Most the decent cars on there are £500+ a month plus an extra fee to get an ev point installed
Click to expand...
My mrs has an EV through an nhs lease the deal is very good and includes insurance as well.
 
SilentProf said:
If you’re only doing 30 miles a day you’re probably better off in an EV than a hybrid. You’ll be charging and discharging the battery at max capacity much more often which will shorten it’s lifespan compared to an EV you could charge to 70% and then run down to 20% before you charge again. You might not get anywhere near it being an issue but the EV battery would be in much better condition after 5 years.
Click to expand...
Yeah, totally agree, I wanted another EV (miles better on company tax too), but our lass wanted an Evoque, is crap with tech and isn't great at listening, so this is "training" :ROFLMAO: The hybrids are designed to have their battery take a bit of a beating mind, and they carry more in reserve too I think. Plus the power from the battery isn't like the sole full power for the car, so when discharging it's not meeting the full HP demand for the car etc. i.e the car might be 300HP, but the electric motor can only kick out 100 HP or whatever.

The ID4 or something like that would have been a better bet, but now after having the Evoque (which was a bit bigger than her last car) I'll be able to swap it for something slightly bigger again in a year or so, which means that can be our "main car" for long trips, which opens the door to me downsizing to something smaller which I can fling around. I don't do many miles so it's a waste of time me having a big car now. What I want doesn't really exist yet, so will just keep mine, until the market changes in my favour or something I want comes out.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top