gregorgregorovich
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So the Speaker has upset the SNP and the Tories at the same time. That would normally add up to a good days work as far as I can see.
Another Starmer U turn
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LessoftheLip
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The SNP will vote for Labour’s amendment.
Just have to wait and see how 'the 56' vote
Just have to wait and see how 'the 56' vote
Alzi
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I get that but across the major parties you could find donors to suit any sort of narrative. I don’t think we can have a pop at Labour for that.
Also being an Israeli national doesn’t mean you automatically agree with every decision Netanyahu makes anymore than we agree with everything Sunak and his cronies do.
Unravel_Morrison
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He clearly wants the Tories out.
Autoglass Replace indeed.
Autoglass Replace indeed.
LessoftheLip
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The Tories have taken their ball home.
BlindBoyGrunt
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These people are Zionists (not necessarily Israeli nationals). Zionists agree with every decision Netanyahu makes. He is on the same side. But you have to ask yourself, what do lobbyists for a foreign government want from Labour, why does the Israeli embassy have so much influence over UK politics, and why are Labour accepting this cash? Let's remember that this Chinn donation is the one Starmer kept hidden until after the leadership election in which all the leading contenders declared themselves Zionists.
Secret recordings caught a senior Israeli embassy official Shai Masot plotting to “take down” opponents of Israel’s illegal settlements and atrocities in Palestine. He also offered Labour MP and LFI chair Joan Ryan, £1m from the Israeli state to send sympathetic MPs and students on all expenses-paid trips to Israel.
Alzi
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Oh I agree some awful people are undoubtedly Labour donors for all sorts of awful reasons. Similar to the Russians and the Tories despite all of Boris’s bluster.
I personally think Starmer is fundamentally a decent person and have more faith he will at least try to do more for the greater good than Sunak et al but I appreciate that’s a low bar.
Unravel_Morrison
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I think I broadly agree with tHat.
Any major party in a Western democracy has lobbying groups from different countries and interest groups that wine and dine and court the favours of our politicians.
During the Brexit campaign we had one of the arguments being made by Tories was that Turkey could enter the EU and we had no veto (we did). Loads of Tory Brexit supporters were in a group trying to help Turkey get in the EU.
My main hope isn't about ideology; its about competency. Just do a good job of doing things; this last lot are idiots.
Alzi
Well-known member
Dreadful from all sides. SNP and Tories shown up for what they are but not great from Labour either it seems.
Hoyle looks toast now.
Blimey. Strange afternoon in Parliament apparently.
The Labour amendment has passed. Shame they couldn't just go with the SNP text, and also a shame that it's passed via SNP walking out but I am pleased there's at least some parliamentary call for a ceasefire on record.
I also couldn't care less about Hoyle not following convention on which amendments to pick. It's in speakers powers to change it so the rest shouldn't complain when they do so. Especially with the tories record on following conventions, proroguing parliament etc.
However...
If that's true then it really ought to be investigated and Hoyle actually shouldn't continue as speaker. The whip systems minging enough. Parties shouldn't be carrying on like that with the speaker.
It should be a cause for concern for any on here looking forward to a Starmer win on the basis of that representing a step away from the corruption of the tories.
And it should also be a cause for concern for any on here looking forward to a Starmer win on the basis of that providing a more stable government. This Labour party got addicted to leaking during the years when they were all sabotaging the Corbyn leadership. As if within minutes of blackmailing the speaker some daft so and so has text Watt "lol we blackmailed him".
I know neither of them will be though. It's all good in the Starmer cult.
The Labour amendment has passed. Shame they couldn't just go with the SNP text, and also a shame that it's passed via SNP walking out but I am pleased there's at least some parliamentary call for a ceasefire on record.
I also couldn't care less about Hoyle not following convention on which amendments to pick. It's in speakers powers to change it so the rest shouldn't complain when they do so. Especially with the tories record on following conventions, proroguing parliament etc.
However...
If that's true then it really ought to be investigated and Hoyle actually shouldn't continue as speaker. The whip systems minging enough. Parties shouldn't be carrying on like that with the speaker.
It should be a cause for concern for any on here looking forward to a Starmer win on the basis of that representing a step away from the corruption of the tories.
And it should also be a cause for concern for any on here looking forward to a Starmer win on the basis of that providing a more stable government. This Labour party got addicted to leaking during the years when they were all sabotaging the Corbyn leadership. As if within minutes of blackmailing the speaker some daft so and so has text Watt "lol we blackmailed him".
I know neither of them will be though. It's all good in the Starmer cult.
MolteniArcore
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It has been denied. It seems a bit of a stretch to think this occurred.
It really doesn't.
LessoftheLip
Well-known member
Balance.
WeeGord
Well-known member
Not only has it been denied by Labour, Lindsay Hoyle and the deputy Speaker, but there have been corrections made around this online.
However, you're questioning whether other people should do Jury Service @SuperStu?
I've said before, and I'm more than happy to repeat that you're an excellent poster and contribute a great deal to this board. Additionally, I think we both share the vast majority of our political positions. However, you really do at times show such dislike towards Starmer and Labour that you could rightly be accused of the tunnel vision that others on this board sometimes get accused of.
I'm not saying this to argue or have any disagreements because as I say, I think we're probably very, very close politically.
However, you're questioning whether other people should do Jury Service @SuperStu?
I've said before, and I'm more than happy to repeat that you're an excellent poster and contribute a great deal to this board. Additionally, I think we both share the vast majority of our political positions. However, you really do at times show such dislike towards Starmer and Labour that you could rightly be accused of the tunnel vision that others on this board sometimes get accused of.
I'm not saying this to argue or have any disagreements because as I say, I think we're probably very, very close politically.
Of course they're not. They'll be **** a hoop if this can be spun out. Labour blackmailing the speaker and then immediately telling on themselves. And the convention is the next speaker would be from the tory benches, and their seat not contested if I remember correctly.