Simple VAR vote to gauge opinion

What would you like to see happen with VAR?

  • It is ruining football. Burn it, put the ashes in a rocket and fire them into deep space forevermore

    Votes: 90 73.8%

  • I like it. It’s improved the game and my enjoyment of the match. Keep it.

    Votes: 19 15.6%

  • Not fussed either way. Couldn’t care less if it stays or goes.

    Votes: 16 13.1%
  • Total voters
    122
FabioPorkpie

FabioPorkpie

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VAR errors seem to be just as frequently discussed and controversial as simple referee errors ever were.
I believe we are into the fifth season of it’s usage in the Prem now.
We keep hearing that things will get better with time as people get more familiar with it and issues are ironed out….has it had long enough yet?

Is it really that important to people whether a striker is 6 inches offside? Do you moan about the use of VAR as much as you used to moan about referees?

Has it improved the match experience, whether that be in the stands or watching on TV?

Where do you currently stand on the issue?
 
It's the officials using the technology that is the problem, they are useless.

They are now scared of even making a decision using the technology, too much emphasis on what the onfield referee says and a total lack of willingness to challenge it.

The PL have turned the whole system into an inconsistent jumbled up farce.
 
It's been very frustrating this season, but only because they're still getting things wrong and failing to overturn on-fields howlers.

If it worked well, it would be a big improvement, but it's often not working well.
 
Perhaps some stats might inform your answer? Here are a couple of examples.

www.google.co.uk

How VAR decisions have affected every Premier League club in 2022-23

We're collating a league table of overturned VAR decisions in 2022-23. Who will benefit most over the course of the Premier League season?
www.google.co.uk www.google.co.uk


"VAR has been viewed as a broad success by many people within the world of soccer. To keep our focus on the UK, according to the Premier League website, the introduction of VAR in 2019/20 increased the percentage of correct key match decisions from 82% the previous season to 94%".

Taken from https://jobsinfootball.com/blog/does-var-improve-soccer/#:~:text=VAR has been viewed as,the previous season to 94%.
 
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I personally feel like there’s more talk about decisions now than there ever was before VAR. Sky have long championed the introduction of it but to my mind Match of the Day is equally as culpable. They’ve started each of their segments of analysis with ‘first, let’s look at the decisions’ instead of looking at the actual football for about 20 years. The TV companies and their shows and glitzy productions have caused this absolute car-crash and are now throwing others under the bus for it.

Brian Clough saw it coming 40 years ago.
 
The implementation of VAR has completely disregarded the importance of fans to the game. Without fans football would still be a game played on the fields of Eton by posh lads and nothing else.
It massively effects the excitement of watching and supporting your team especially if you are in the stadium.
To make things worse it has hugely increased dissatisfaction amongst fans regarding decisions.
The ridiculously fussy way it officiates decisions, stopping the game for 5 minutes to try and see if someone is literally inches offside. If the shadow of the circumference of the ball is a millimetre over the line.Then getting it wrong!
The brainwashing, "offside is black and white VAR can't get it wrong." Until actually it becomes very clear it's very fallible.
I don't buy the argument "but it works in other sports". Custard is good with apple pie, doesn't mean it'll work with a pork pie.
 
Subbuteo_171 said:
There is no such thing as a perfect system.

VAR is getting more things right, the problem is when there is a decision to be made you are still going to have one happy team and one unhappy team. Pre VAR this was the case, getting rid or keeping it won’t change that.

What it has done imo is helped reduce some of the bias shown to “big” clubs. Treatment seems much more equal.
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But it isn't. That's just the lie propagated by the people who have a vested interest in it.

Every single weekend there is terrible decision after terrible decision.

It's a perfect example of something that wasn't broken being ruined.
 
spanishman said:
Perhaps some stats might inform your answer? Here are a couple of examples.

www.google.co.uk

How VAR decisions have affected every Premier League club in 2022-23

We're collating a league table of overturned VAR decisions in 2022-23. Who will benefit most over the course of the Premier League season?
www.google.co.uk www.google.co.uk


"VAR has been viewed as a broad success by many people within the world of soccer. To keep our focus on the UK, according to the Premier League website, the introduction of VAR in 2019/20 increased the percentage of correct key match decisions from 82% the previous season to 94%".

Taken from https://jobsinfootball.com/blog/does-var-improve-soccer/#:~:text=VAR has been viewed as,the previous season to 94%.
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But has it made the game more enjoyable as a spectacle?
Are fans, pundits, players enjoying it? There doesn’t seem to be a large number of people advocating for it, despite it having led to more correct key decisions.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
Eh?
Dislike it.
Like it.
not fussed.

How is that rigged to give a negative answer?
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If that had been what you had written, without the additional commentary it would have been fine. It it the extra commentary that skews it.

Those three simple bland sounding options, with an optional comments box (if it is allowed in the form) would have been fine.
 
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spanishman said:
Perhaps some stats might inform your answer? Here are a couple of examples.

www.google.co.uk

How VAR decisions have affected every Premier League club in 2022-23

We're collating a league table of overturned VAR decisions in 2022-23. Who will benefit most over the course of the Premier League season?
www.google.co.uk www.google.co.uk


"VAR has been viewed as a broad success by many people within the world of soccer. To keep our focus on the UK, according to the Premier League website, the introduction of VAR in 2019/20 increased the percentage of correct key match decisions from 82% the previous season to 94%".

Taken from https://jobsinfootball.com/blog/does-var-improve-soccer/#:~:text=VAR has been viewed as,the previous season to 94%.
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I wonder what percentage of those additional ‘key correct decisions’ that VaR has got right are ruling goals out because somebodies fingers are offside.
I wonder how many fans really give a stuff about that, and whether it’s improved the game in any single way. When the decisions are that tight that it can’t be seen without drawing lines on the screen and looking at multiple views, then does it really matter? Most fans used to say ‘he’s in line so can see why it’s given’. Who really, honestly cares if someone has a toe end offside or a hand, while pretty much inline?
I‘d guess a decent proportion of the additional ‘correct key decisions’ that VAR has managed to introduce are of that type ie fans didn’t notice or question them particularly anyway.
 
The V and A elements are fine. The R less so.

Any system with human interaction is open to error, I actually think we should be looking to use more technology to automate a lot more decisions with human interference.

For instance, ball going over the line, simple fix (goal line tech already exists and works) and I'm pretty sure a similar AI solution could be implemented for offsides. Smart tech clothing could also be utilised for analysing if contact has been made during a foul, amount of pressure etc.

Ok the last one may be a little far fetched, but you get the point. Technology absolutely should be utilised to its fullest extent to ensure calls are correct. There is simply far too much money at stake in the outcomes of games to continually rely on human interpretation.
 
Chris_Boro said:
It's the officials using the technology that is the problem, they are useless.

They are now scared of even making a decision using the technology, too much emphasis on what the onfield referee says and a total lack of willingness to challenge it.

The PL have turned the whole system into an inconsistent jumbled up farce.
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Yes I would vote for this option
 
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