A debate on the efficacy of masks

Alvez_48 said:
I do wonder what you even think this means?
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It’s pretty obvious what it means - surgeons wear masks during operations to stop their own aerosols and saliva getting into a patient and causing disease. Are you being deliberately obtuse to come across as clever? It’s not working
 
Has anyone commenting on this thread with an absolute view of mask wearing bothered to watch the debate or read the linked articles? I am assuming not from some of the comments.
 
RandySavage said:
Who are the anti maskers on here?

All I've seen are people who have said they wear them for various reasons?

I think some in the general population and notice I said some are saying that following mandatory mask use comes mandatory vaccine. You yourself have said on here you won't take a vaccine anytime soon. Imagine what would happen countrywide when the mandatory vaccine is rolled out. Won't be any stopping it.
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I've already explained to you the difference between taking an untrialed vaccine and wearing a mask, so no need to try and repeat your false equivalence.
 
I have watched the debate but not yet had time to follow up on the links so all I can conclude at this point is that regardless of the risk, I would rather be stuck in a lift with the one who doesn't wear a mask.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
It’s Fabio, not bear.... Not sure if that was a Freudian slip and you think he and I are the same poster?
I get what you are saying regarding government desire to get the vaccine taken up and possibly you are right. I guess time will tell and ultimately, given the actions of this government it wouldn’t really surprise me if they start talking about it.
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Innocent slip of the fingers. They are pushing hard for folk to have the flu jab. I don't trust this government at all, especially one ran by someone who struggles to tie his own shoelaces.
 
Ironops said:
It’s pretty obvious what it means - surgeons wear masks during operations to stop their own aerosols and saliva getting into a patient and causing disease. Are you being deliberately obtuse to come across as clever? It’s not working
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Hold up @Alvez_48 . Why do YOU think surgeons wear masks?
 
SmallTown said:
Hold up @Alvez_48 . Why do YOU think surgeons wear masks?
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Well taken from this research piece:-

'WHEN introduced a century ago, the purpose of the surgical facemask was to provide protection for the patient from surgical wound infections. But is there evidence that face masks prevent wound infections? A recent review concluded that it is not clear whether face masks prevent surgical wound infections,1 and the scientific evidence for this practice is weak and insufficient.1,2 Questioning the efficacy of surgical face masks, an established routine in operating rooms worldwide, is clearly controversial given the tradition of the practice. Recognizing the lack of sound scientific evidence, we have changed facemask routines in several units at the Karolinska University Hospital (see image by Henrik Jörnvall, M.D., Ph.D., Department of Anesthesia, Surgical Sciences and Intensive Care, Karolinska University Hospital Solna, Stockholm, Sweden).
Anesthesia personnel are no longer required to wear disposable face masks in the operating room, a practice approved by our surgical colleagues. Surgeons, their assistants, and scrub nurses are still required to wear masks.'

It would seem that they wear them due to deciding to wear them 100 years ago 👍🏻

(Written pre covid) and please remember I am not referring to fitted masks of any nature, nor am I commenting on anything other than you're question.
 
Bloke next door just put a mask on, the cloths blue surgical type everyone is wearing, lit a match and blue it out. Try it and see if you feel as safe next time you’re in Tesco.
 
Ingleby_Flash said:
Bloke next door just put a mask on, the cloths blue surgical type everyone is wearing, lit a match and blue it out. Try it and see if you feel as safe next time you’re in Tesco.
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I'll be totally honest (and this is my opinion) I felt more at risk with a mask on in my supermarket.
More people in store than before and more close contact.
Within 1 minute there was a damp patch on the cloth and from there I was just steaming whatever was on that damp patch and around me into my eyes.
Thank fook I'm fit, healthy, young and take my vitamins.
The mask went straight in the wash on my return to HQ.

This is just a comment on inglebys this is no way intending to stoke anger and hatred, I'm probably just wearing it wrong or just generally stupid.. 👍🏻
 
I think it is fair to say this debate will be ongoing as there is not a great deal of high quality evidence on either side of the argument. The complexity of creating a research study to develop high quality evidence within community transmission is such that it is unlikely to be forthcoming anytime soon I imagine. The rigor required and the multitude of variables would be phenomenal.

More closed trials perhaps will come, such as those discussed above where it is noted "Anesthesia personnel are no longer required to wear disposable face masks in the operating room, a practice approved by our surgical colleagues. Surgeons, their assistants, and scrub nurses are still required to wear masks." I note that anaethetists are the only ones not wearing the masks.

I am happy to work with the principle of least risk- which is what surgeons use when masking. If 1% transmission/ infection risk is reduced while risks and community transmission is high then that is great. As we move to much less community transmission then lets have the conversation again of whether they are required, or the benefits to society of masking if you are indeed unwell and out and about (for any illness, such as in other societies/ cultures to protect those around you).

The next philosophical debate is when do you mask, and what is acceptable transmission / infection to stop masking. Same with social distancing- which incidentally has little evidence base I believe but is not questioned in quite the same manner.
 
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